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« on: November 29, 2006, 01:52:34 PM » |
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I would post the hand history but I did'nt have it saved from Blue Sq Late position in a cash game 0.25 / 0.50 Me $45 opponent $67 I'm in late position with 3 limpers I have   and i pop it up to $2.50 BB calls and everyone else folds The info i have on the BB is he is tight is but has won a few pots with rags when the flop has been kind to him. my guess is he has a big pocket pair. Flop    Oppo leads out for $2 in to a $6.75 pot We are ahead here against aces or Kings and AQ QJ ect. What should we do? |
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2006, 01:55:50 PM » |
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Make it a 10r.
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kinboshi
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2006, 02:07:16 PM » |
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Yep, raise it up and $10 sounds like a good amount. Might even be tempted to put a little more in.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2006, 02:10:05 PM » |
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Yep, raise it up and $10 sounds like a good amount. Might even be tempted to put a little more in.
yep..reraise for me. |
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2006, 02:33:14 PM » |
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The problem with getting over exited with these types of hands is that the all money usually only goes in on the flop when we are up against a big hand or a big draw. The big hand in this case being a set and the big draw perhaps AcKc. He could also conceivably have JTsuited.
It is quite a weak bet, so you will probably be able to take it down with a pot sized raise.
If he calls I would tend to put him on a draw or AQ and decide what to do depending on the turn and if he checks or bets.
If he reraises, what I do depends on how much.
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2006, 02:33:42 PM » |
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I would post the hand history but I did'nt have it saved from Blue Sq Late position in a cash game 0.25 / 0.50 Me $45 opponent $67 I'm in late position with 3 limpers I have and i pop it up to $2.50 BB calls and everyone else folds The info i have on the BB is he is tight is but has won a few pots with rags when the flop has been kind to him. my guess is he has a big pocket pair.Flop Oppo leads out for $2 in to a $6.75 pot We are ahead here against aces or Kings and AQ QJ ect.
What should we do?You say in your post above that you are ahead against aces kings AQ and QJ but you are not. You are behind to the above hands and you will still have to outdraw them to win the pot. You say your opponent has a big pair - if that is the case you will find that although you have a big drawing hand that you are only 55-45% favourite to win the pot. |
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2006, 02:43:58 PM » |
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I would post the hand history but I did'nt have it saved from Blue Sq Late position in a cash game 0.25 / 0.50 Me $45 opponent $67 I'm in late position with 3 limpers I have and i pop it up to $2.50 BB calls and everyone else folds The info i have on the BB is he is tight is but has won a few pots with rags when the flop has been kind to him. my guess is he has a big pocket pair.Flop Oppo leads out for $2 in to a $6.75 pot We are ahead here against aces or Kings and AQ QJ ect.
What should we do?You say in your post above that you are ahead against aces kings AQ and QJ but you are not. You are behind to the above hands and you will still have to outdraw them to win the pot. You say your opponent has a big pair - if that is the case you will find that although you have a big drawing hand that you are only 55-45% favourite to win the pot. so true...funny how it seems |
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kinboshi
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2006, 02:59:35 PM » |
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When he says ahead - I guess he means in terms of being favourite to win the hand (seeing both the turn and flop). Which is why you want to make the raise to see where you are and to give him the decision. 59% favourite against   59% favourite against   54% favourite against  53% favourite against  . Under 40% to win if he's got   (with a 7% chance that it'll be split) |
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2006, 03:06:19 PM » |
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When he says ahead - I guess he means in terms of being favourite to win the hand (seeing both the turn and flop).
yes - but then what happens when the turn comes a blank (or even worse it pairs the board with a Q or an  and he comes out firing again? (i'm not offering any views on the hand because i'm not a cash game player - i'm asking questions though because i'd be interested to see how the answers would differ from tournament strategy) |
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2006, 03:08:05 PM » |
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When he says ahead - I guess he means in terms of being favourite to win the hand (seeing both the turn and flop).
yes - but then what happens when the turn comes a blank (or even worse it pairs the board with a Q or an and he comes out firing again? (i'm not offering any views on the hand because i'm not a cash game player - i'm asking questions though because i'd be interested to see how the answers would differ from tournament strategy) in tourney play I reraise aswell. in cash games however people tend to be more inclined to fold as they see the dosh going on the table. |
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2006, 03:09:37 PM » |
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I always re-raise these hands on the flop, as I would do two pair, a set or the made straight. By taking control of the pot, you give yourself more chance to win if you don't hit.
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2006, 03:13:07 PM » |
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in tourney play I reraise aswell. in cash games however people tend to be more inclined to fold as they see the dosh going on the table.
I would reraise to take control of the pot and hopefully if i miss on the turn i can then take a free card on the river - but often i read that cash game strategy would be to get the money in the middle as quick as possible as you are favourite to win the hand, which i wouldnt do in a tourney. |
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2006, 03:14:35 PM » |
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When he says ahead - I guess he means in terms of being favourite to win the hand (seeing both the turn and flop).
yes - but then what happens when the turn comes a blank (or even worse it pairs the board with a Q or an and he comes out firing again? (i'm not offering any views on the hand because i'm not a cash game player - i'm asking questions though because i'd be interested to see how the answers would differ from tournament strategy) I'd be tempted to bet it hard - but that's how I tend to play cash games (I'd play it the same way with a set as I would with the hand we've got here). If you're up against JT or a set then it's unlucky. If you're up against AQ, and the turn's a blank, you're now only 40% to win the hand. Hell of a decision for you to make if he comes out betting on the turn, but at least you've got position on him. |
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2006, 03:15:11 PM » |
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in tourney play I reraise aswell. in cash games however people tend to be more inclined to fold as they see the dosh going on the table.
I would reraise to take control of the pot and hopefully if i miss on the turn i can then take a free card on the river - but often i read that cash game strategy would be to get the money in the middle as quick as possible as you are favourite to win the hand, which i wouldnt do in a tourney. I don't like taking the free card on the turn in these situations, any decent player will read you for a drawing hand if you check the turn then bet the river if you've missed. |
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2006, 03:17:40 PM » |
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in tourney play I reraise aswell. in cash games however people tend to be more inclined to fold as they see the dosh going on the table.
I would reraise to take control of the pot and hopefully if i miss on the turn i can then take a free card on the river - but often i read that cash game strategy would be to get the money in the middle as quick as possible as you are favourite to win the hand, which i wouldnt do in a tourney.I'm generally in agreement with that. An interesting hand, and it'd be interesting to work out the EV for different ways of playing the hand. |
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