Another tournament question / Live, short-stacked

[moritzey]

Live tournament situation, GBP20+2 buyin, about 60 runners, down to 30 and short-stacked with 800 @ 100-200 blinds.
Got lowstacked in a silly QQ v AA confrontation, but anyway. Then a couple of situations came up where I wasn't sure on how to go about them:

Situation 1)

I'm in the BB (200 + 600 left): 82o
MP, who's been playing very rocky goes all in for 1350
Button calls
SB folds

Now I'd have to call 600 into a sidepot of then 1,900 - yes or no? Being very, very shortstacked, is that a must call or still fold and hang in there with 3BB?

Anyway, decided to fold in the end. Next hand I get Q3o in the SB, push. BB calls with 78o and I double up.

Situation 4)

A couple of blind steals later, blinds are up to 150-300

I have about 1300 under the gun and look at TJo ... push or fold / what is the minimum I want to be looking at here to justify a push?


Situation 3)

Decided not to push, fold my 72o BB to a raise and re-raise and this final situation comes up:

I'm in the SB with QKs, have 950 + the 150 SB chips left
MP (same guy as before, the ultra-rock) raises to 1,200
Cut-off (short-stacked as well) pushes all in for 1,700

Call or fold here? Had three BB left as before, but a vaguely more decent hand ..
anyway, I decided to call, as did the MP. Turns out I'm up against KK and JJ - end of story.

Except for obviously getting short-stacked in first place was a bad idea, how would you play in these situations? When I called with the KQs I was somewhat resigned to the fact of being behind, but hoped for Ax and a mid-pair in best case, or at least Ax and Ax with one live card ..

[kinboshi]

I'm no expert, but interesting questions.

I'll say what I'd probably do, and then someone who can play properly will give you the better answers...


Situation 1)
I'd fold.  I might be tempted to push first, but not keen on the call.

Situation 4?)
I'd probably push.  Maybe that's wrong here, and I'd be interested to hear what others say on that one.

Situation 3)
Again, I'd fold.  First in with a raise, then I'd push.  No a fan of the call.

[Wardonkey]

In the first and last situations my decision would be based more on the stacks of the other players and if anyone is going to pass when you push with your 3xBB stack. As it seems unlikey that you'll get anone to pass I'd probably call and cross my fingers.

The J,10 is a push. I'd push with any 2 here.

[Dewi_cool]

all in on first option, then u dont worry about the following 2 scenarios whatever the outcome

[moritzey]

kinboshi: yes, that was meant to be 1,2,3 ... my counting skills aren't quite up to scratch these days ...

dewi: why the call with 28o? Just because of pot-odds? I suppose if it was the other way round, i.e. me being deep-stacked and a short-stack pushing with 3 BB, I might call him with any two from the BB, but this way round with my tournament life on the line ..?

I'm fairly sure by now that I should've pushed with the JT utg - turns out the BB held AK, but still a fair shot at doubling up, I suppose. You'd really push with any two there and 8 players to act behind you? - Never quite sure how you should add the 'tournament life'-factor into my considerations in those situations - does it play a role at all? Or is that just psychologically? Suppose the difference to online play is that I could just pull up for new tourneys there, whereas in a live environment it means go home until the next day ...

[Dewi_cool]

yes pot odds to me you have to call,everyones different though,i would also like to see more comments here

[Wardonkey]

You can't worry about your tournament life when you've alreay fallen off the cliff.

Grab a branch and hope it doen't break.

[The_Diamond]

Live tournament situation, GBP20+2 buyin, about 60 runners, down to 30 and short-stacked with 800 @ 100-200 blinds.
Got lowstacked in a silly QQ v AA confrontation, but anyway. Then a couple of situations came up where I wasn't sure on how to go about them:

Situation 1)

I'm in the BB (200 + 600 left): 82o
MP, who's been playing very rocky goes all in for 1350
Button calls
SB folds

Now I'd have to call 600 into a sidepot of then 1,900 - yes or no? Being very, very shortstacked, is that a must call or still fold and hang in there with 3BB?

Anyway, decided to fold in the end. Next hand I get Q3o in the SB, push. BB calls with 78o and I double up.

Situation 4)

A couple of blind steals later, blinds are up to 150-300

I have about 1300 under the gun and look at TJo ... push or fold / what is the minimum I want to be looking at here to justify a push?


Situation 3)

Decided not to push, fold my 72o BB to a raise and re-raise and this final situation comes up:

I'm in the SB with QKs, have 950 + the 150 SB chips left
MP (same guy as before, the ultra-rock) raises to 1,200
Cut-off (short-stacked as well) pushes all in for 1,700

Call or fold here? Had three BB left as before, but a vaguely more decent hand ..
anyway, I decided to call, as did the MP. Turns out I'm up against KK and JJ - end of story.

Except for obviously getting short-stacked in first place was a bad idea, how would you play in these situations? When I called with the KQs I was somewhat resigned to the fact of being behind, but hoped for Ax and a mid-pair in best case, or at least Ax and Ax with one live card ..

The first one i the BB with 8-2 is a good fold IMO. Sometimes it might be right to take a -EV call in this spot because the EV of leaving yourself with 3BBs in the SB next hand might be worse but since you got the chance to push into the BB then it was the right decision.

The JTo hand is a push. It's a good hand to push with because you are racing against all underpairs and ace rag. There aren't really too many hands that will have you strangled if called so with a third of your stack in the middle already its a definite all in. Also, by pushing from this position you show a lot more strength and should get a lot of better hands to fold from middle positions.

The KQ hand is a definite fold. It's a pice of crap even against 1 all in, plus you have a round of the table. You're betting better equity from fold here and pushing blind from the button next hand.

[moritzey]

Live tournament situation, GBP20+2 buyin, about 60 runners, down to 30 and short-stacked with 800 @ 100-200 blinds.
Got lowstacked in a silly QQ v AA confrontation, but anyway. Then a couple of situations came up where I wasn't sure on how to go about them:

Situation 1)

I'm in the BB (200 + 600 left): 82o
MP, who's been playing very rocky goes all in for 1350
Button calls
SB folds

Now I'd have to call 600 into a sidepot of then 1,900 - yes or no? Being very, very shortstacked, is that a must call or still fold and hang in there with 3BB?

Anyway, decided to fold in the end. Next hand I get Q3o in the SB, push. BB calls with 78o and I double up.

Situation 4)

A couple of blind steals later, blinds are up to 150-300

I have about 1300 under the gun and look at TJo ... push or fold / what is the minimum I want to be looking at here to justify a push?


Situation 3)

Decided not to push, fold my 72o BB to a raise and re-raise and this final situation comes up:

I'm in the SB with QKs, have 950 + the 150 SB chips left
MP (same guy as before, the ultra-rock) raises to 1,200
Cut-off (short-stacked as well) pushes all in for 1,700

Call or fold here? Had three BB left as before, but a vaguely more decent hand ..
anyway, I decided to call, as did the MP. Turns out I'm up against KK and JJ - end of story.

Except for obviously getting short-stacked in first place was a bad idea, how would you play in these situations? When I called with the KQs I was somewhat resigned to the fact of being behind, but hoped for Ax and a mid-pair in best case, or at least Ax and Ax with one live card ..

The first one i the BB with 8-2 is a good fold IMO. Sometimes it might be right to take a -EV call in this spot because the EV of leaving yourself with 3BBs in the SB next hand might be worse but since you got the chance to push into the BB then it was the right decision.

The JTo hand is a push. It's a good hand to push with because you are racing against all underpairs and ace rag. There aren't really too many hands that will have you strangled if called so with a third of your stack in the middle already its a definite all in. Also, by pushing from this position you show a lot more strength and should get a lot of better hands to fold from middle positions.

The KQ hand is a definite fold. It's a pice of crap even against 1 all in, plus you have a round of the table. You're betting better equity from fold here and pushing blind from the button next hand.

I don't have any chips in the middle in the JTo situation (am UTG, not in the blinds).

Still like your reasoning that JTo is probably better when first to act compared to calling with KQ.

[The_Diamond]

I don't have any chips in the middle in the JTo situation (am UTG, not in the blinds).

Yeah sorry, what I mean is the pot already rrepresents a 1/3 of your stack.

[Royal Flush]

You should have been all in utg before hand 1.

[moritzey]

You should have been all in utg before hand 1.

That geniunely was 72o. I chickened out. You really push with any2 there?

[SupaMonkey]

On that round, i don't look at my cards (unless someone limps/raises in front of me) and i push in the first unopened pot.