Do I just run into a "hero caller" here?

[NoflopsHomer]

I think it's an easy pass here for him...   
Do people 3-bet here in this situation and if not, what is the better move?

     GertMan is at seat 1 with 3690.
     MYRKO is at seat 2 with 21800.
     Foaming_Homer is at seat 3 with 29270.
     gnpiii is at seat 4 with 12320.
     deusyali is at seat 6 with 16615.
     HangtownS is at seat 7 with 14515.
     MookieOO is at seat 8 with 4600.
     JRSPYGLASS22 is at seat 9 with 12925.
     The button is at seat 8.
     
     JRSPYGLASS22 posts the small blind of 100.
     GertMan posts the big blind of 200.

     GertMan:  -- --
     MYRKO:  -- --
     Foaming_Homer: 
     gnpiii:  -- --
     deusyali:  -- --
     HangtownS:  -- --
     MookieOO:  -- --
     JRSPYGLASS22:  -- --

Pre-flop:
 
          MYRKO folds.   Foaming_Homer raises to 750.   gnpiii
          folds.   deusyali calls.   HangtownS folds.   MookieOO
          folds.   JRSPYGLASS22 folds.   GertMan folds.   

Flop (board: ):
 
          Foaming_Homer bets 1200.   deusyali raises to 3200. 
          Foaming_Homer re-raises to 10200.   deusyali goes
          all-in for 15865.   Foaming_Homer calls.   

          Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:
 
               Foaming_Homer shows .
               deusyali shows .
         

Turn (board: ):
 
        (no action in this round)
         

River (board: ):
 
        (no action in this round)
         

         

Showdown:
 
     Foaming_Homer has : a pair of eights.
     deusyali has : two pair, eights and sixes.

[Dewi_cool]

probably got notes on you

[NoflopsHomer]

Well it has it's upsides too, I just c/raised bottom two pair on a 982 board from the bb and UTG shoved it all-in with A high lol.

[tantrum]

He has two pair with the straight draw..... 

[Graham C]

I'd have called his raise then bet again on the turn.  I think people get too excited and move all in too easily at the moment, regardless of the cards on the board.  You still need to hit and I wouldn't want to be putting a good chunk of my chips on the line on a draw in this situation.   If he raises again on the turn, I'd let go.

Just my thoughts.

[Highstack]

It is certainly not great play by him ..... but its not totally awful, providing it wasn't just a thought process of 'I have a pair, I'm all in'.

You raised preflop and he called. I don't know about history or either of your styles up until then and nor do I know if you have been a raising machine or not, but for this I will assume that you have been fairly 'standard' and shown nothing out of line. He conceivably gives you a range of hands that are big aces and or big pairs. He is probably quite confident that you didn't hit the board (albeit that in reality it gave you a straight draw).

If you were able to ask him, then my guess would be that he has decided you have a big ace and are making a continuation play. He therefore raises. Your reraise should ring some alarm bells, but if he is confident of his read and is prepared to back his judgement then he is right to push.

Incidentally, what was your thought process? He called your preflop raise so what hands did you give him? You had open end straight and two overs (that were live but needn't have been), but you can't have wanted to go broke on T9. My reaction to his raise would be that he has something and I probably want to hit that turn card before committing so much more.

If you gave him AK too, then you can also know that you have many outs but are behind, with a chunk in the middle.  A a complete miss would be the best situation you could find yourself in, even though it was only a semi-bluff.

[SupaMonkey]

I would have check raised that flop. I don't see the need to lead when check-check on the flop isn't a bad result for you.

[Highstack]

Why SM?

You ch-raise and he jams - then what? Are you calling? You simply can't. I would have slowed down when he showed me strength though, despite his holding not being as strong as the raise demonstrated.

The reason for a lead is that not only are you taking control of teh pot, but you have an extra way to win. You can win if you have (or hit) the best hand and you can win if he passes. By checking, you are inviting a bet - a bet that you only really want if you hold a big hand.

[SupaMonkey]

Why can't i call if he jams? Does he really jam here with a monster, wouldn't he call the flop c-r and let me fire again on the turn?

[Highstack]

Because if he jams you are all in with T high.

Sure you can push and yes you probably know that you have outs, but this is not about pot odds (that you won't be getting anyway) as if you miss you are out.

[SupaMonkey]

Hmm, maybe you're right but what are you going to do on the turn. With no help are you check folding, that seems like a bleed of chips to me. I don't like leading out because it stinks of a continuation bet and in your oppo's position, i would raise you everytime here and even if i hadn't looked at my cards. If you 3 bet allin on the flop it looks like a draw.

[The_Diamond]

I love the way you played this hand. Check raising is an overused and over rated play. Bet...3 bet is far superior.

[NoflopsHomer]

Incidentally, what was your thought process? He called your preflop raise so what hands did you give him? You had open end straight and two overs (that were live but needn't have been), but you can't have wanted to go broke on T9. My reaction to his raise would be that he has something and I probably want to hit that turn card before committing so much more.

Basically, I felt that JJ+ and AK would re-raise me preflop here the majority of the time, JJ is easily the worst hand I could be up against here, leaving me 4 outs. I looked at his raise as a "Finding out now where I am cheaply" raise, at this point, I felt he had a middling pair, TT and 99 being a tiny bit less likely,  or was bluffing (but bluffing with a better hand than me), If he has an 8 or 77, then he wouldn't raise the flop surely? If I were to flat call, I felt it would be a sign of weakness, (so I'd do it if I held a big pair), also, I've seen other players do this with AK/AQ type hands to try and spike the turn on UB. Flat-calling a flop raise, then leading out on the turn, didn't seem like the right idea to me, he had around 12k back and there would already be 10k in the middle and I could certainly see him jamming the turn scared. Would a hand that's strongly beating him, really call his raise and then lead on the turn too? Surely AA or KK would check to let him hang himself.  As it turns out, the turn would've been a good card for me,  but I think he'd jam since I'd flat-called the flop plus the 4 gives him a presumed extra 4 outs (he can't put me on a club draw) if he is behind. I could certainly have as many as 20 outs by the turn, 9 clubs, 3 jacks, 3 nines, 3 tens, and the two other sevens counterfeiting his two pair, so I would've ended up putting him in on the turn for sure. I certainly don't mind getting it all-in here on the flop in the sense that even if I lose, I'll still have 15k left which is more than adequate at this stage. Personally, in this comp ($10 rebuy on UB), the period after the rebuy ends is the most important time for me to accquire chips. People tend to suddenly tighten up (obviously not this guy ), and if I can push my stack up quickly, it allows me to bully relentlessly later on. I won this comp having been chip leader with 40 players left and I'm prepared to take these marginal chances earlier on so that when I reach a final table, I can maximise my chances of winning it. Certainly in his position, I would fold 66 there having raised on the flop. More likely, I would flat-call and see what he would do on the turn, and probably fold on the turn to a big bet, simply because there are so many cards that I don't want to see on the river, if I'm not beaten already.