"Standard of Live Poker" Response

[boldie]

I completely agree with our Yankie friend.

I said something similar in the original thread..proffesional poker players moaning about the standard of other players..it's just a pathetic bad beat story and that's all it is. And if you are regularly getting beat by "bad" players...you ain't as good as you think you are.

I don't understand why poker players whine soo much about bad beats, it's not good for your game

[tantrum]

Are you saying you do not think Are you saying you do not think Negreanu and Hansen are good NL holdem tournament players? and Hansen are good NL holdem tournament players?

Far from it, but i think that tv distorts the fact how skillful/cunning and brilliant those players are.


Most of the time their moves with any two are situation dependent, and tbh they could not even look at their cards against certain opponents.  What most pple don't see on tv is the  set up/calculations/ reads  of the table dynamics/opponents. Many think that after watching those great players it is easy to  play any two from any position....

I think tv is responsible partly for whole loads of players who think that 73o is a hand to play, who try to chase and raise and when they get lucky their ego inflate when they don't they blame their inadequacies on the variance.

If you ever played a tourney blind, you can see that without looking at the cards, providing your reading skills are spot on, you can end up at the final table fair amount of time/ not very high stakes but up to $50 no probs and NHLE only.

[M3boy]

Are you saying you do not think Are you saying you do not think Negreanu and Hansen are good NL holdem tournament players? and Hansen are good NL holdem tournament players?

If you ever played a tourney blind, you can see that without looking at the cards, providing your reading skills are spot on, you can end up at the final table fair amount of time/ not very high stakes but up to $50 no probs and NHLE only.

Good post!

I tried this on many occassions, following a convo I had with The Fishman himself (Scott) - and to anyone struggling with their game, I would highly recomend it.

[matt674]

Good post!

I tried this on many occassions, following a convo I had with The Fishman himself (Scott) - and to anyone struggling with their game, I would highly recomend it.

That would explain your performances at recent Blonde Bashes!!

 

[MadYank]

I have one more thing to add.




LOL DONKAMENTS

[Royal Flush]

Far from it, but i think that tv distorts the fact how skillful/cunning and brilliant those players are.

Most of the time their moves with any two are situation dependent, and tbh they could not even look at their cards against certain opponents.  What most pple don't see on tv is the  set up/calculations/ reads  of the table dynamics/opponents. Many think that after watching those great players it is easy to  play any two from any position....

Wow i was never aware that there was method behind it, i just assumed it was dumb luck.

[quantify]

just spent an hour responding to you yank  and whilst previewing i lost the lot.  perghaps a good thing as a i was going on a bit lol.

firstly if i appeared a little arrogant it wasnt meant that way and im humble enuff to notice when ive  made a slight error of judgement , on this occasion perhaps i did come across a like i could kiss my own picture ,but im the first to say WAT  A NOB.  SO APOLOGIES ALL ROUND AND THANKYOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

However there is some specific thought to back up my rant , im used to being in a competitive enviroment , i am also used to competing with people of a similar standard, this allows you to learn and improve at a good rate .  you only have to look to th scandanavin countries , we(the english)  invented golf , yet due to the rapid rise of swedish golfers on the euro tour, it is thier technical and physiological advances we are now using to improve OUR  golfers, and it is no coincidence the swedes rule in european  poker events (in the main).

now i am new to the game (so that is why my post was somewat tonguein cheek)  ive had some relative success in a short time . i like reading blonde but i felt a thread a little "close to the bone" might  liven it up. i didnt realsie there was a poker anal forum so i posted it on here  . (as col  kev pointed out last  night).

TO GET TO THE POINT  i want to learn and improve so i can compete at the highest level , i wont do this if i have to play with the rich local guys, that do add value  to to the tourney,,(crap arguement by the way) but what is value , do you perceive this in moneytery terms , cos i certiainly dont . Value to me is a 140 strong main event with a quality field , the amount of value i would get from that in educational terms is invaluable.   the problem is  as long as poker regulated by the casino groups we wont change things .

the natural thing for poker to do is create divisional tables promoting levels of abiillty , this would then create buy in time frames for the more succesful players, ie division one have a timeframe to buy in for a main event , then dive 2 etc .. then the local wealthy guys who want to play and in the main donate their money. thiss could be generated from the 4 main ranking tables ( it is no coincidence the same names appear on most of them)


THIS BRINGS ME ON TO YOUR SECOND POINT .....   i ,as you say, have no right to telll people wht to do with their money, bit if i was playing in the english matchplay golf championshipd against an 18 handicap golfer i would certainly say , go away and practicse, IMPROVEbut dont be silly and wast you money. NOW THT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU ARENT ALLOWED IN BECAUSE THEY HAVE REGULATORY BODIES THAT RESTRICT THE SKILL LEVEL.

I ACTUALLLY  feel sorry for people  who waste their dough week in week out , and yes i think it is irresponsible of poker to allow this to happen, yes i undertand the added value rubbish, BUT IT DOESNT MAKE IT RIGHT.
IMAGINE SOME DIV PAYIN 20 K TO ENTER THE TOUR DE FRANCE AND THEM ACCEPTING HIS ENTRY BECAUSE HE ADDS TO THE PRIZE POOL .

I WILL PICK UP YOUR OTHER POINTS LATER BUT TO SUMMARISE ,  i think we should move to regulated tournements with better players (if not ony to improve the uk p;ayers ). this goes hand in hand with people wasting there money entering tournements were they havent a chance   .

ps. tk please explain your comments




apologies for the typos anf the caps .  im crap at this computer mularkey

[RED-DOG]

So much there that I don't agree with that I don't know where to start

[Eck]

we(the english)  invented golf ,

Ill give you a starter for ten

[byronkincaid]

Dude A has run real good this year and cashed in some big events. Dude B is a far better player but has run bad this year. Dude C has never played a live event before but makes $500K a year playing online.

Who gets to play in your "good player" tourney?

Barry Greenstein on his website rates how well some of his biggest opponents play the game. One catagory is how they play against poor players, another catagory is how they play against good players. Sounds like you just need a little work on one of your catagories.

[snoopy1239]

Comps are always going to have weak players as well as strong, and being able to play against the weaker players is a skill within itself.

[quantify]

YES YOU RIGHT MATE IVE OPENLY ADMITTED THAT IM TRUGGLING IN THAT CATERGORY  , but to answer you question , the internet player doesnt play live so  why would he want to start , the guy that has run bad for a year is a poor player, you cant run bad for a year , he just cant admit he has lost it, so he has to start again.


as for your comments tom, it doesnt surprise me that the more experience players wouldnt like CHANGE , btu you cant offer that sort of retort without giving an alternate view  , well i suppose you can. i know you dont like the way i am at the table but i get 500 % more information that way ,  yes sometimes i look a bit of a pratt but it has a specific aim, totally different to yours, but your a nice fella.

I f you dont want poker to improve in the uk then stay as you are , i do want it to ,,,,,,  an opinion based on not knowing any difference cos of my inexperience or an view formed from my business life.....

a lot of people think rob yong will fall on his face but aint got the nuts to say it to him, im just interested to watch his progress , i guarantee you one thing if its there ,he will find it if its out there    and the events he will target will be quality fields , and im talking outside his local stuff.

poker has to find its level , there are 2 many people coming into the game at to higher level.  lets hope it settles soon, 

[quantify]

we the british , lol

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we the british , lol

Keep trying you will get there eventually  ;m3boy;

[quantify]

MY GREAT GREAT GRANDARDYY  WAS FROM HAMILTON  SO WE THE SCOTTISH LOL