Play Along With Snoopy

[snoopy1239]

Everyone is saying what they would do, but few are saying what they actually put the guy on here.

What do you guys think he has from the bet he has just made?

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Hmm,  i think he's got you in all sorts of bother with a massive draw... or or 10s would be my guess. His preflop action's kinda swayed me to thinking this..

[LeKnave]

  ,  or 

[Raindogs]

,  or 

Me too although I would also add QQ.  I can't see him betting out unless he has a strong draw or a PP.

If he had a set I would expect a bigger bet with the flush draw on the board and $44 into an $80 pot looks like a probe bet to me (especially if he puts you on AK).  I would flat call here in the hope he has an overpair.  If he is probing he will probably fold if you re-raise and if he has an overpair you may force him to fold a hand you are way ahead of which is a bad result for you. 

If you flat call and he is on a flush draw he may opt to take a free card on the turn which keeps the pot small but will also give you a better idea of his holding.  I would expect him to check after your flop call if he has a medium PP.  He had got to be thinking what you could have to check call the flop.  AK is very unlikely unless it is AKs, so he has got to put you on a big PP. 

My guess is that he has interpreted your check as AK and has decided to take a stab at the pot.  Check calling the flop keeps the pot at $168.  If he fires again on the turn (unless he overbets the pot) it will cost you a lot less to call.

[action man]

i think he has QQ

[Horneris]

raise to $200, see what he does. he calls, push on a non-scary turn, if he pushes, good luck to you and call.

Assuming that I'm not going to fold, I don't understand why I'd want to bet out and give him the chance to fold a smaller overpair?

Good point. Don't push yet. Because he probably has 10s or Jacks in my opinion, and he could fold this hand to a push.

And also, if he has the speculated massive draw, as Rookie said, then hes probably not going to fold to a push anyway. So no real benefit.

[johnmul99]

Everyone is saying what they would do, but few are saying what they actually put the guy on here.

What do you guys think he has from the bet he has just made?

maybe poket aces as well??

[snoopy1239]

For the reasons stated by Raindogs above, I decided to smooth call his bet. I don't see how this bet can represent a set and I think he'd be happy to check the draw and see a free card. Therefore, I put him on a smaller overpair and thought I could squeeze some more out of him by letting him think I was weak.


Given that I have taken this action, what would you do once this Turn card arrived?


(STEP 4)


***** Hand History for Game 5489792374 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, December 08, 01:42:39 ET 2006
Table Jackpot #1304230 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6

Seat 1: Pavel55 ( $256.55 )
Seat 3: snoopy1239 ( $530.15 )
Seat 4: A_Reza ( $116.82 )
Seat 6: No_remorse1 ( $712.45 )
Seat 2: JOSJOJO ( $83.20 )
Seat 5: neverfold678 ( $40.50 )
snoopy1239 posts small blind [$1].
A_Reza posts big blind [$2].

Dealt to snoopy1239 [ ]

neverfold678 folds.
No_remorse1 raises [$6]
Pavel55 calls [$6]
JOSJOJO folds

snoopy1239 raises to [$26]
Bongo raises to [?]
Longines raises to [$28]
byronkincaid raises to [$24]
johnmul99 raises to [$30]
jezza777 raises to [$18]
booder raises to [$26]
Suited_Jock raises to [$30]
tantrum raises to [$27]

A_Reza folds.
No_remorse1 calls [$20]
Pavel55 calls [$20]

** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]

snoopy1239 checks.
byronkincaid bets [$68]
johnmul99 bets [$35]
TightEnd bets [$120]

No_remorse1 bets [$44]
Pavel55 folds.

snoopy1239 calls [$44]
johnmul99 raises to [?]
TightEnd raises to [$194]
byronkincaid raises to [?]
hotdog calls [$44]
moritzey raises to [$200]
Wardonkey raises to [?]
RookieITB calls [$44]
Raindogs calls [$44]
Horneris calls [$44]

** Dealing Turn ** [ ]

snoopy1239...

[doubleup]

The important bit of this hand is now "what does no remorse think I have"

He probably puts you on a big ace, but a pair or an overpair is a possibility.  He can't entirely discount a set.

He also could have a big ace, more likely a pair and less likely a set.

The turn shouldn't have helped either of you - but we are very much into player read territory.

It's another check from me - pretty sure he checks the big ace, bets the pair most of the time and bets the set always.

Given what he thinks you can have, I think he rarely makes a pot sized bet with a pair (but read dependent) so I'm probably folding to a pot sized bet, but if I'm calling I'm going to try a block on the river.

I'm always calling a half pot bet.

If he checks behind, probably check calling any reasonable bet on river.

ps I agree with the flop check.  The player most likely to have had a small pair was pavel and he has been eliminated from the hand without you having to risk any chips.

[Raindogs]

I think you have to check here.  The   is a good card for you as it is unlikely he made a straight or a set of 4's.  You have gone down the trapping route and have to stick with it.  If you lead out on the turn it will look very odd as the 4 can't have helped you given the preflop action.  Your biggest risk is giving him a free card and seeing a spade drop on the river.  If your opponent has a PP then he may think his hand is still ahead and bet again.  If he has nothing your call on the flop should have scared him into checking the turn.  The problem with checking is that if your opponent is any good he should put you on a big PP after your flop call and in that situation he may well check behind you with hands that will outdraw you.   If you lead out he may call and you make more money.

[Raindogs]

I've changed my mind.

I think I want to see where I am now.  I've got my fingers burnt before trying to be too clever and if the guy has a flush draw I want to make him pay for it.  If he has J's or Q's he may call.  If he has the set this is where he is going to raise and I can get away (slight possibility).  The check is a more aggressive play but I think it also commits you to the pot as if he bets the turn I think you have to raise.

[snoopy1239]

For the reasons doubleup states, I opt to check.

This is what happened...


For the reasons stated by Raindogs above, I decided to smooth call his bet. I don't see how this bet can represent a set and I think he'd be happy to check the draw and see a free card. Therefore, I put him on a smaller overpair and thought I could squeeze some more out of him by letting him think I was weak.


Given that I have taken this action, what would you do once this Turn card arrived?


(STEP 5)


***** Hand History for Game 5489792374 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, December 08, 01:42:39 ET 2006
Table Jackpot #1304230 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6

Seat 1: Pavel55 ( $256.55 )
Seat 3: snoopy1239 ( $530.15 )
Seat 4: A_Reza ( $116.82 )
Seat 6: No_remorse1 ( $712.45 )
Seat 2: JOSJOJO ( $83.20 )
Seat 5: neverfold678 ( $40.50 )
snoopy1239 posts small blind [$1].
A_Reza posts big blind [$2].

Dealt to snoopy1239 [ ]

neverfold678 folds.
No_remorse1 raises [$6]
Pavel55 calls [$6]
JOSJOJO folds

snoopy1239 raises to [$26]
Bongo raises to [?]
Longines raises to [$28]
byronkincaid raises to [$24]
johnmul99 raises to [$30]
jezza777 raises to [$18]
booder raises to [$26]
Suited_Jock raises to [$30]
tantrum raises to [$27]

A_Reza folds.
No_remorse1 calls [$20]
Pavel55 calls [$20]

** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]

snoopy1239 checks.
byronkincaid bets [$68]
johnmul99 bets [$35]
TightEnd bets [$120]

No_remorse1 bets [$44]
Pavel55 folds.

snoopy1239 calls [$44]
johnmul99 raises to [?]
TightEnd raises to [$194]
byronkincaid raises to [?]
hotdog calls [$44]
moritzey raises to [$200]
Wardonkey raises to [?]
RookieITB calls [$44]
Raindogs calls [$44]
Horneris calls [$44]

** Dealing Turn ** [ ]

snoopy1239 checks
doubleup checks
raindogs bets [?]

No_remorse1 bets [$99]
snoopy1239...


What is your action now and what hand(s) do you put him on?

[TightEnd]

flat call and check call river

[snoopy1239]

flat call and check call river

What do you think he has?

[TightEnd]

he hasn't got the nut spade draw obviously

I think 10-10 thru QQ


possibly a set


One change to my suggested line would be on a spade river, where I might myself put in a blocking bet that looks like a value bet as if I was drawing to spades.

If he has the overpair he might pass, or he might value call with the losing hand

if he has the set he shouldn't raise you in case you've completed your draw and you get to showdown cheaper by the blocking bet