Play Along With Snoopy

[tantrum]

If you are just blindly saying "im gonna do X on the turn" irrespective of what it is, that leads to problems.

I don't

[Raindogs]

You have AA here, and you expect your opponent to bet the flop with a flush draw/overpair/set/2pair/AK.. so your equity is pretty good to call, but he only calls a re-raise/push with a set, so your equity to push is pretty bad, so you just call and see what happens on the turn

Flat calling tells you nothing about the strength of your opponents hand and allows him to draw to a flush cheaply.  It may also look weak to your opponent and encorage him to fire again on the turn with an overpair.  A raise (say $100) may take the pot down there and then, but confusion about your opponents hand in later streets may cost you your entire stack.  You have A's on a board with a flush draw, you have to raise to protect your hand.

You get to the turn, and you check, and through experience, you know that OF THE RANGE he would bet with on the flop, he would only bet 2pr/set/occasionally monster draws, so your equity against THAT range is pretty terrible... so you fold.

I think you would need a very good read on your opponent to assume that.  He may also think that 2 checks means you are weak and another bet might take down the pot.  Even if he gets called there is a good chance that he will get a free showdown.


The problem I have with the way the hand played out is I am holding the A's yet I am the one worried about what my opponent has.  By not taking control of the hand I (not Snoopy) am now getting paranoid and seeing sets and raggy straights everywhere and have settled into check/call mode, hoping that my opponent will stop betting.  There is a potential set on every flop but that doesen't mean you should always assume the worst.

[totalise]

I wasnt talking about Snoops hand.... it was more an illustration (maybe botched??) with regard to someone elses comment above.

[tantrum]

I wasn't talking about Snoops hand.... it was more an illustration (maybe botched??) with regard to someone elses comment above.

My comment was referring to Snoopy's hand and no other situation so I don't see how your comment can be applied here?




 Raindog has put it more eloquently the reasoning behind a raise or re-raise on the flop in this particular scenario then me.

The problem I have with the way the hand played out is I am holding the A's yet I am the one worried about what my opponent has.  By not taking control of the hand I (not Snoopy) am now getting paranoid and seeing sets and raggy straights everywhere and have settled into check/call mode, hoping that my opponent will stop betting.  There is a potential set on every flop but that doesen't mean you should always assume the worst.

[totalise]

I've deleted my comments in this thread, it is confusing the matter too much and sidetracking snoops post

[Raindogs]

Anybody think the A's held up ?

[doubleup]

A raise (say $100) may take the pot down there and then

Are you going to fold to a reraise?  What are you going to do on the turn if your raise is called?

[tantrum]

1. What are the chances that you are dealt at the short handed table AA and someone else has a pp?
2. what are the chances that this player has a pair and on the flop this player hit a set? while you are holding AA.

From what I am trying to grasp from al spach computations essays, the chances are slim, especially at the short handed table.

So I am raising the flop here, as most likely then not, the pot would be mine.  If the guy flat calls, i have to be careful, if he re-raise me here I am not so sure he has a set, i woudl put him on the big pair and probably, if he has a set or two pair go broke on this hand.  But this is a cash game, and poker and chances are that my AA is good here.

[Raindogs]

A raise (say $100) may take the pot down there and then

Are you going to fold to a reraise?  What are you going to do on the turn if your raise is called?

Depends on the opponent.

If I get re-raised I would be more inclined to fold to a LAG opponent that a TAG.  A tight opponent raising in early position is more likely to be raising with solid starting hands and would not call a re-raise (with the initial caller still to act) without a solid hand.  Having said that a push is more likely to be KK or 88 so its a very close call.  It also depends on how your opponent sees you.  If the opponent is LAG but a good player then I think I would fold.

If the raise is called you could narrow his possible holdings down to 88 for the set, KK or QQ, or a flush draw (the fact that Snoopy re-raised makes it unlikely his opponent thinks he has the nut flush draw).  The 4 hasn't changed matters (unless he has 25 or 57 for a straight).  I would check the turn here. The only hands betting after your check are hands that can beat a big PP which you have represented pre and post flop.  I can't see K's or a flush draw betting out unless you have been playing very agressively and stealing lots of pots (in which case your check might look like a white flag).  If your opponent is a bad player who likes to call all the way to the river on a draw then I fire again.

[doubleup]

Depends on the opponent.

and what do you know about snoopy's opponent?

[tantrum]

and what do you know about snoopy's opponent?

Nothing, therefore I have to rely on maths and probability of the event happening in order to proceed, using tools that are available to me to gain info.

Betting is one of those tools.  The chances are that he does not have a set or two pair, so by leading out with betting I might take the pot there and then.  Calling with an overpair will lead me to all sort of problems on the turn and river.  I don't want to go to showdown all the way to the river here.  Of course I suspect that the guy in this instance has a set or two pair otherwise Snoppy would not post this hand, but most of the time then not AA is good here at short handed table, and by being aggressive I give myself more chances to win this pot.

[doubleup]

Calling with an overpair will lead me to all sort of problems on the turn and river.   

Raising the flop against an unknown opponent can lead to similar problems.  We want to get as much money as possible from a worst hand -that will probably never happen if we check-raise the flop.  I don't particularly like the position we are in by check calling, but at least we have TT putting money into the pot on the turn when it would have folded to a checkraise.

I don't want to go to showdown all the way to the river here.

You do if he has KK/QQ/JJ/TT. 

[tantrum]

You do if he has KK/QQ/JJ/TT.

fair point.


Still I would not check when F.T.A on the flop.  perhaps re-raise is not a great idea perhaps it is, but check and hope others will raise not so sure about it.  If i am against big pp i will be called all the way to river most likely.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

I think you should play on a site with faster software.

It's week now and the river hasn't been dealt yet...

I agree...

[snoopy1239]

Almost there (promise, have been on hols so unable to update)...


(STEP 6)


***** Hand History for Game 5489792374 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, December 08, 01:42:39 ET 2006
Table Jackpot #1304230 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6

Seat 1: Pavel55 ( $256.55 )
Seat 3: snoopy1239 ( $530.15 )
Seat 4: A_Reza ( $116.82 )
Seat 6: No_remorse1 ( $712.45 )
Seat 2: JOSJOJO ( $83.20 )
Seat 5: neverfold678 ( $40.50 )
snoopy1239 posts small blind [$1].
A_Reza posts big blind [$2].

Dealt to snoopy1239 [ ]

neverfold678 folds.
No_remorse1 raises [$6]
Pavel55 calls [$6]
JOSJOJO folds

snoopy1239 raises to [$26]
Bongo raises to [?]
Longines raises to [$28]
byronkincaid raises to [$24]
johnmul99 raises to [$30]
jezza777 raises to [$18]
booder raises to [$26]
Suited_Jock raises to [$30]
tantrum raises to [$27]

A_Reza folds.
No_remorse1 calls [$20]
Pavel55 calls [$20]

** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]

snoopy1239 checks.
byronkincaid bets [$68]
johnmul99 bets [$35]
TightEnd bets [$120]

No_remorse1 bets [$44]
Pavel55 folds.

snoopy1239 calls [$44]
johnmul99 raises to [?]
TightEnd raises to [$194]
byronkincaid raises to [?]
hotdog calls [$44]
moritzey raises to [$200]
Wardonkey raises to [?]
RookieITB calls [$44]
Raindogs calls [$44]
Horneris calls [$44]

** Dealing Turn ** [ ]

snoopy1239 checks
doubleup checks
raindogs bets [?]

No_remorse1 bets [$99]
snoopy1239 calls [$99]
TightEnd calls [$99]
doubleup [$99]
Raindogs raises to [$250]
tantrum raises to [?]

** Dealing River ** [ ]

snoopy...


What is your action now and what hand(s) do you put him on?