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I, Zimbra
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Re: Tribeca sell out
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December 16, 2006, 09:13:27 PM »
Quote from: thetank on December 16, 2006, 08:44:45 AM
Tribecca = Betamax
Please tell me Ipoker isn't VHS though.
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Re: Tribeca sell out
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'Fraid so
Don't worry, Pokerstars = DVD
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Quote from: Div on December 15, 2006, 10:51:40 PM
Quote from: Sheriff Fatman on December 15, 2006, 10:10:24 PM
Quote from: Div on December 15, 2006, 09:15:41 PM
I've only just caught up with this thread, and I have to say the person who made the decision to transfer from Tribeca software to iPoker must not play much online poker.
IMO the iPoker software is the worst I have ever come across.
Clearly you haven't played on the Boss network!
To be fair, I'd probably rank Boss and iPoker on a par. They are both rubbish.
I am reviewing opinions on this, I really can't go as far to say that Ipoker (from what I've seen of it) is quite as user-unfriendly as Boss; that would take some doing. Ipoker, in the admittedly short time I've been using it, certainly hasn't frozen up on me mid-game, kicked me from all of my cash tables, or put me in a "queue for logging in" for ten minutes, thus stopping me from entering the tourney that I was trying to log in to play.
In all honesty, I have yet to see the poker software that beats Boss for putting up obstacles in my way when I want to give them money.
Ipoker by comparison is slick and smooth in its action; I do have a few minor issues with it, the biggest one though is the incredibly poor traffic and STT selection (which isn't necessarily the most important as regards this debate; I can only assume it will be rectified as soon as the Tribeca legions mix in).
They have a penchant for 10-handed tables rather than 9, which I'm not as fond of (personal preference). However, for cash games they also have 8-max tables. Plus they have a mini-view for the multitablers, so that's a tick in the 'positives' column. But for STTs, they have only 10 seat or 6 seats (or fewer), and the 10 seat tables only go as high as $10; From $20 up it's short-handed, or don't bother... and off-peak you might be in for a bit of a wait even to get a sixer to fill.
The rebuy issue is also a bit of a strange one; the standard rebuy structure seems to be rebuys for the first hour (1500 starting chips, levels: 10/20, 15/30, 20/40, 30/60, 50/100, 75/150), and players can choose to add-on during the break. Or not. There is still the issue that you can only rebuy, though, when you reach 0 chips, and not before! This does mean that if you go broke just before the end of the rebuy phase, you can only get to 3000 chips before the restart, which will be 100/200 (i.e. 15 blinds, M=10, Orange Zone)... at least on Tribeca you can get back to 30 big blinds - with a bit of careful timing! If that isn't amended, there'll have to be a period of adjustment while the double-buy-in players get used to that one!
A whole hour of rebuys is a long time, however. Again, I'm assuming that this is to make up for the fact that one can't double-buy, so they give people more time to build a stack through all-innage, as well as to give the site more time to make its money from them. I am wondering how much control the operators have over this facility, whether they can create, say, a 2-level rebuy tourney - as is possible on Tribeca... or for that matter, how much creative freedom they have over tournament starting stacks, blind level structure, and so on.
Another issue that I have is the fact that the tournament info screen (the one that shows your position relative to other players, gives info on average stack sizes, etc.) actually locks itself to my desktop and can't be moved; when it's up, the main "lobby" screen - for accessing cashier, options, etc. - is also unavailable. It's seems just to be a glitch really, it means that I have to set where it will go on my screen before the tourney starts, so that the screens aren't covering one another, or move the tournament window itself.
Ipoker has Hold'em, Omaha and O/8, (Limit and Pot Limit), and Limit 7 Stud - but not Stud 8/b for some reason (that I can find). Also, there are no Stud tournaments, but then there probably has been little demand for them on so small a network; the stud tables themselves don't seem to be overrun with action.
I understand they have private tables/tournaments as well, although I have yet to see one.
Ipoker also supports Poker Tracker for Ring Games AND Tournaments, something that Tribeca always lacked.
Maybe there are reasons to be cheerful in all of this... unfortunately from our point of view it seems we - the end users - will only properly see if the final result is worth it, when it's a done deal - it's very difficult to judge what the network will become based on what it is now (3k max players).
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Re: Tribeca sell out
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December 21, 2006, 06:07:58 AM »
I play a lot on Tribeca, I very much doubt I would play more than the odd Blonde tourney on Ipoker.
When tribeca disappears most of my business is likely to move to a PokerRoom skin.
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Re: Tribeca sell out
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December 21, 2006, 06:32:27 AM »
Quote from: Wardonkey on December 21, 2006, 06:07:58 AM
I play a lot on Tribeca, I very much doubt I would play more than the odd Blonde tourney on Ipoker.
When tribeca disappears most of my business is likely to move to a PokerRoom skin.
Yeah i feel the same, i will probably switch more onto crypto, and dare i say it.....stars.
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December 21, 2006, 09:20:06 AM »
I am fairly confident that at least one Tribecca client will choose to move to a new provider rather than sign to ipoker
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December 21, 2006, 09:27:18 AM »
Quote from: M3boy on December 21, 2006, 09:20:06 AM
I am fairly confident that at least one Tribecca client will choose to move to a new provider rather than sign to ipoker
I just pray one of them gets their hands on the Tribeca software!
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Re: Tribeca sell out
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December 21, 2006, 10:19:00 AM »
Quote from: Royal Flush on December 21, 2006, 06:32:27 AM
Quote from: Wardonkey on December 21, 2006, 06:07:58 AM
I play a lot on Tribeca, I very much doubt I would play more than the odd Blonde tourney on Ipoker.
When tribeca disappears most of my business is likely to move to a PokerRoom skin.
Yeah i feel the same, i will probably switch more onto crypto, and dare i say it.....stars.
I definitely like the new Crypto software - though I do wonder if Stars' lawyers like it as much.
The new racetrack tables on Full Tilt are good too and they have a good game selection.
PokerRoom is an interesting one. I had a Eurobet account when they were a Party skin, and they then migrated over to PokerRoom. The software is fine - though the uncanny likeness of one of the avatars to a Spitting Image-esque Queen is a bit disconcerting - and they certainly seem to get a good amount of traffic.
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Re: Tribeca sell out
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December 21, 2006, 06:09:22 PM »
Quote from: M3boy on December 21, 2006, 09:20:06 AM
I am fairly confident that at least one Tribecca client will choose to move to a new provider rather than sign to ipoker
You can bet on it Paul......
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Re: Tribeca sell out
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December 21, 2006, 07:06:43 PM »
Quote from: Royal Flush on December 21, 2006, 09:27:18 AM
Quote from: M3boy on December 21, 2006, 09:20:06 AM
I am fairly confident that at least one Tribecca client will choose to move to a new provider rather than sign to ipoker
I just pray one of them gets their hands on the Tribeca software!
I imagine one of them will, would make commercial sense to me, providing the price wasn't too high
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Re: Tribeca sell out
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December 22, 2006, 03:12:46 AM »
Quote from: Royal Flush on December 21, 2006, 09:27:18 AM
Quote from: M3boy on December 21, 2006, 09:20:06 AM
I am fairly confident that at least one Tribecca client will choose to move to a new provider rather than sign to ipoker
I just pray one of them gets their hands on the Tribeca software!
It looks unlikely this will happen.
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Re: Tribeca sell out
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December 22, 2006, 03:19:17 AM »
Quote from: The Baron on December 22, 2006, 03:12:46 AM
Quote from: Royal Flush on December 21, 2006, 09:27:18 AM
Quote from: M3boy on December 21, 2006, 09:20:06 AM
I am fairly confident that at least one Tribecca client will choose to move to a new provider rather than sign to ipoker
I just pray one of them gets their hands on the Tribeca software!
It looks unlikely this will happen.
That's why i have resorted to prayer!
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Re: Tribeca sell out
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December 22, 2006, 03:27:13 AM »
Quote from: I, Zimbra on December 21, 2006, 05:51:31 AM
Quote from: Div on December 15, 2006, 10:51:40 PM
Quote from: Sheriff Fatman on December 15, 2006, 10:10:24 PM
Quote from: Div on December 15, 2006, 09:15:41 PM
I've only just caught up with this thread, and I have to say the person who made the decision to transfer from Tribeca software to iPoker must not play much online poker.
IMO the iPoker software is the worst I have ever come across.
Clearly you haven't played on the Boss network!
To be fair, I'd probably rank Boss and iPoker on a par. They are both rubbish.
I am reviewing opinions on this, I really can't go as far to say that Ipoker (from what I've seen of it) is quite as user-unfriendly as Boss; that would take some doing. Ipoker, in the admittedly short time I've been using it, certainly hasn't frozen up on me mid-game, kicked me from all of my cash tables, or put me in a "queue for logging in" for ten minutes, thus stopping me from entering the tourney that I was trying to log in to play.
In all honesty, I have yet to see the poker software that beats Boss for putting up obstacles in my way when I want to give them money.
Ipoker by comparison is slick and smooth in its action; I do have a few minor issues with it, the biggest one though is the incredibly poor traffic and STT selection (which isn't necessarily the most important as regards this debate; I can only assume it will be rectified as soon as the Tribeca legions mix in).
They have a penchant for 10-handed tables rather than 9, which I'm not as fond of (personal preference). However, for cash games they also have 8-max tables. Plus they have a mini-view for the multitablers, so that's a tick in the 'positives' column. But for STTs, they have only 10 seat or 6 seats (or fewer), and the 10 seat tables only go as high as $10; From $20 up it's short-handed, or don't bother... and off-peak you might be in for a bit of a wait even to get a sixer to fill.
The rebuy issue is also a bit of a strange one; the standard rebuy structure seems to be rebuys for the first hour (1500 starting chips, levels: 10/20, 15/30, 20/40, 30/60, 50/100, 75/150), and players can choose to add-on during the break. Or not. There is still the issue that you can only rebuy, though, when you reach 0 chips, and not before! This does mean that if you go broke just before the end of the rebuy phase, you can only get to 3000 chips before the restart, which will be 100/200 (i.e. 15 blinds, M=10, Orange Zone)... at least on Tribeca you can get back to 30 big blinds - with a bit of careful timing! If that isn't amended, there'll have to be a period of adjustment while the double-buy-in players get used to that one!
A whole hour of rebuys is a long time, however. Again, I'm assuming that this is to make up for the fact that one can't double-buy, so they give people more time to build a stack through all-innage, as well as to give the site more time to make its money from them. I am wondering how much control the operators have over this facility, whether they can create, say, a 2-level rebuy tourney - as is possible on Tribeca... or for that matter, how much creative freedom they have over tournament starting stacks, blind level structure, and so on.
Another issue that I have is the fact that the tournament info screen (the one that shows your position relative to other players, gives info on average stack sizes, etc.) actually locks itself to my desktop and can't be moved; when it's up, the main "lobby" screen - for accessing cashier, options, etc. - is also unavailable. It's seems just to be a glitch really, it means that I have to set where it will go on my screen before the tourney starts, so that the screens aren't covering one another, or move the tournament window itself.
Ipoker has Hold'em, Omaha and O/8, (Limit and Pot Limit), and Limit 7 Stud - but not Stud 8/b for some reason (that I can find). Also, there are no Stud tournaments, but then there probably has been little demand for them on so small a network; the stud tables themselves don't seem to be overrun with action.
I understand they have private tables/tournaments as well, although I have yet to see one.
Ipoker also supports Poker Tracker for Ring Games AND Tournaments, something that Tribeca always lacked.
Maybe there are reasons to be cheerful in all of this... unfortunately from our point of view it seems we - the end users - will only properly see if the final result is worth it, when it's a done deal - it's very difficult to judge what the network will become based on what it is now (3k max players).
A fair review Zim,
I too have my doubts. However I think with the increased player turnover and the sheer capital the Ipoker owners are throwing at this there is potential to get a lot of it right. To be blunt, they just cant keep 15,000 people happy with the current set up in their STTs and tourneys. However the owners seem to be trying to make Ipoker one of the leading online cardroom networks and spending money hasn't been an issue for them so far, so let's hope the development continues.
I have not been in touch with Ipoker directly yet but my ongoing requests for improved gaming (structures, starting stacks, STTs etc etc etc etc) cant fall on as deaf ears as with Tribeca. From what I hear they listen to their skin managers advice with interest - that'll make a nice change!
More news on the changeover - it is likely that the software change will only be an update - NOT a new download. New usernames and passowrds etc wont be needed except in the odd scenario where your username is already in use.
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Re: Tribeca sell out
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Just seen something very interesting on Ipoker:
Deepstack Rebuy, private and password protected
3000 starting chips, rebuys till first break
10/20
20/40
30/60
40/80
50/100
100/200
(note the lack of 75/150 that is the usual level 6 on Ipoker!)
So that would appear to answer almost ALL of qs from above: YES, deepstack is possible, YES altering blind levels is possible, YES private (password protected) tournaments and cash games - inc. $5.50 private STTs to replace "Blonde Extendeds" and even something like the 'Cash with Pab' idea that was floating around earlier this year.
Still, for those of us Tribecaddicts trying to keep an open mind, the optimism of Baron and Snoopy has to be balanced against the pessimism of some very successful online pros, most of whom seem to be expressing the opinion that Playtech isn't to be touched with a bargepole.
As for Tribeca companies that won't be moving to Ipoker - does anyone have any firm intel on that?
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Re: Tribeca sell out
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Quote from: I, Zimbra on December 22, 2006, 12:53:24 PM
As for Tribeca companies that won't be moving to Ipoker - does anyone have any firm intel on that?
I do but i can't reveal for national security reasons.
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