Live poker tipping

[Karabiner]

Apparently some casinos still do get the punters to pay the punter/dealers.

Yogi

Certainly that is the case in Nottingham Gala, where there are at least ten full time punter/dealers.

It is the accepted way of doing things there.

[dik9]

Do the Notts (punter)dealers get the reg fee as well?

[Bongo]

No reg fee on self (punter) deal tournies there.

Well there wasn't last time I went.

[Yogi-Bear]

Apparently some casinos still do get the punters to pay the punter/dealers.

Yogi


Certainly that is the case in Nottingham Gala, where there are at least ten full time punter/dealers.

It is the accepted way of doing things there.

That could well be where it happened one Sunday afternoon not too long ago. No reg fee as Bongo says but then you pay the equivalent to a reg fee to the dealer. Not that he was all that bad as a dealer. Altho he didnt deal me any good cards.

Yogi

[moritzey]

Argh any tournament should have a house dealer on the final.


Please can these illegal rooms get shut down sooner!! That's all i want for Xmas!!!

Well, it was a house dealer .. three of them, to be precise, taking turns every half an hour or so. I think overall, I'd be quite happy to tip them a tenner or two if I make it deep into the cash, as it is a nice service, but will make a point of not paying those 10% again ..

As far as the legality of those places is concerned: The place is in walking distance from where I live, which is a very important argument for me, but also, as far as I've seen, the only place in London where you can play small stakes tournaments with a half-decent structure and it's almost exclusively freeze-outs rather than the rebuy-frenzy offered by other places nearby.. no justification for the lack of legality on their part, but it's still a decent place for playing poker. (Except for the tipping issue )

[tikay]

There are a few misconceptons on this thread.

In LICENSED venues, it's not unusual to have Tourneys "self-deal", & most of you have seen or played in these. But the FINAL has to be dealt by an "official" dealer provided by the Casino, with a Supervisor in attendance.

In these licensed venues, the "self-deal" guys can, & do sometimes, seek payment, & they generally get the equivelant of the reg fee - £2 in a £20 comp or £3 in a £30 comp, typically. These guys generally also frequently remind us "don't forget the dealer if you win".

In Unlicensed Venues, well, they can do whatever they wish, or, more crucially, what the market will stand.

[turny]

Argh any tournament should have a house dealer on the final.


Please can these illegal rooms get shut down sooner!! That's all i want for Xmas!!!

like to know your reasons why flushy?

a number of these venues offer much better tournaments for players than casinos and many are better run.

[thetank]

I suppose the argument, duh it's the law ain't going to wash?

[Royal Flush]

My biggest concern is security. Then it's fairness/honesty.

When i last played a festival event in the gutshot the thing that concerned me the most (more so than starting in the bar next door!) was the lack of security, i can't remember the exact amount of runners but it was well over 100 (tikay probably knows he came 2nd i could only muster 15th) anyway say there were 140 runners at £500 a head there was £70k in the place at the time just sitting there for someone to nick, it would take 3 men tops with guns to take all the cash and be gone!

On the point of fairness i have been in comps in the gutshot where chips go walk about during the break, i also don't like the way 1 player is given a rack of chips and is asked to administer the rebuys, its open to abuse. Throw in the varying amount of chips you get for rebuys/addons which just makes it to easy to take extra cash out of the pool as there is no way of calculating the pool from the chips in play, and not to mention the lack of transparency in what the take really is!


Those are a couple of my concerns, i have many more but those are enough i think to make my case.

Just thought it looks like i have picked the gutshot out, it just happens to be the place i have played at most (outside of casinos) and i think the atmosphere is great in there and most of the people are friendly.


I also happen to believe we are reaching a point of saturation with card clubs. The attendance numbers in Brighton took a big drop when The Big Slick in Croydon opened and Full House in Reigate opened, if they were to close then the casino's would be attracting much larger numbers, which i am sure would lead to a bigger variety of competitions laid on.

[Wardonkey]

My biggest concern is security. Then it's fairness/honesty.

When i last played a festival event in the gutshot the thing that concerned me the most (more so than starting in the bar next door!) was the lack of security, i can't remember the exact amount of runners but it was well over 100 (tikay probably knows he came 2nd i could only muster 15th) anyway say there were 140 runners at £500 a head there was £70k in the place at the time just sitting there for someone to nick, it would take 3 men tops with guns to take all the cash and be gone!

On the point of fairness i have been in comps in the gutshot where chips go walk about during the break, i also don't like the way 1 player is given a rack of chips and is asked to administer the rebuys, its open to abuse. Throw in the varying amount of chips you get for rebuys/addons which just makes it to easy to take extra cash out of the pool as there is no way of calculating the pool from the chips in play, and not to mention the lack of transparency in what the take really is!


Those are a couple of my concerns, i have many more but those are enough i think to make my case.

Just thought it looks like i have picked the gutshot out, it just happens to be the place i have played at most (outside of casinos) and i think the atmosphere is great in there and most of the people are friendly.


I also happen to believe we are reaching a point of saturation with card clubs. The attendance numbers in Brighton took a big drop when The Big Slick in Croydon opened and Full House in Reigate opened, if they were to close then the casino's would be attracting much larger numbers, which i am sure would lead to a bigger variety of competitions laid on.

These places exist because the casinos have been unable or unwilling to satisfy the demand. If you have concerns about security etc then you don't have to play in them.

Do you really think that reducing competition would improve the product?

[Royal Flush]

My biggest concern is security. Then it's fairness/honesty.

When i last played a festival event in the gutshot the thing that concerned me the most (more so than starting in the bar next door!) was the lack of security, i can't remember the exact amount of runners but it was well over 100 (tikay probably knows he came 2nd i could only muster 15th) anyway say there were 140 runners at £500 a head there was £70k in the place at the time just sitting there for someone to nick, it would take 3 men tops with guns to take all the cash and be gone!

On the point of fairness i have been in comps in the gutshot where chips go walk about during the break, i also don't like the way 1 player is given a rack of chips and is asked to administer the rebuys, its open to abuse. Throw in the varying amount of chips you get for rebuys/addons which just makes it to easy to take extra cash out of the pool as there is no way of calculating the pool from the chips in play, and not to mention the lack of transparency in what the take really is!


Those are a couple of my concerns, i have many more but those are enough i think to make my case.

Just thought it looks like i have picked the gutshot out, it just happens to be the place i have played at most (outside of casinos) and i think the atmosphere is great in there and most of the people are friendly.


I also happen to believe we are reaching a point of saturation with card clubs. The attendance numbers in Brighton took a big drop when The Big Slick in Croydon opened and Full House in Reigate opened, if they were to close then the casino's would be attracting much larger numbers, which i am sure would lead to a bigger variety of competitions laid on.

These places exist because the casinos have been unable or unwilling to satisfy the demand. If you have concerns about security etc then you don't have to play in them.

Do you really think that reducing competition would improve the product?

Not many of these illegal venues have a good product tbh, however a lot of people don't know any better.

The future i believe is in places like DTD.

And yes Patrick i think the product would improve, with more players they could put on a wider variety of comps as they will be able to fill the place up much more easily.

[thetank]

Bit of opposition...

Ask the chappies who were forced to wait four hours to answer the police's questions when Cincinnatis got raided if that was a good value night of poker?

Are slower blinds always better? Fair enough in fezzie events, but does every live comp need an all-night structure?

Most people have jobs/families etc, and there is a question as to whether a local poker micro-economy can flourish effectively when the best players win all the time. The fish need room to get lucky, win some money, and bring it back.