New Session Charge At Grosvenor

[tikay]

These session fees are being charged because the casino's can now legally charge what they want. They have run at a loss for such a long time that it seems fair that they should now be able to charge more, which can only be in players intrest. The more revenue the casino make the more money they can invest back into the game and equipment/ staff. These charges will only be a one off ( not charged hourly). If you try playing any specialist past time such as snooker would you grumble at paying £3 for 8 hrs useage of equipment, staff free food/ drink. i think it is a very fair charge.

Welcome to blonde, Sir, & the tone of your Post suggests a vested interest, & I think you may be in for a bit of grief for your views!

However, largely speaking, I agree with you.

"they have run at a loss for such a long time" is, I suspect, badly worded - you really mean that Poker Tournaments & Fessies have been run at a loss - which they obviously have, if we exclude indirect benefits. (Increased number of players playing the House Games).

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However, when these fees are implemented then surely the standard of service will have to increase too...

Free drinks and the use of tables, chips, cards a final table dealer etc are not enough?

[phatomch]

the cardroom side of the casino runs at a loss for most events when you think every member of staff is costing £85 per night even for a £20 rebuy thats say 3 staff =£255, free teas / food and  equipment. To break even you need 100 runners. what money could the casino make if they filled the cardrooms with roulette tables or slots?

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the cardroom side of the casino runs at a loss for most events when you think every member of staff is costing £85 per night even for a £20 rebuy thats say 3 staff =£255, free teas / food and  equipment. To break even you need 100 runners. what money could the casino make if they filled the cardrooms with roulette tables or slots?

The point of running poker tournaments is to fill the casino with people who otherwise wouldnt be there, they more than make their money back from the pit games, alcoholic drinks etc.

As for filling the casino with tables/slots - they are rarely full as it is, what does adding more do?

Nothing.

The point is the casinos are adding 300-500 quid to their pockets while making freezeouts completely unbeatable in the long run except by a very small few.

A poker room will never turn a profit - its benefits to the casino are traffic it brings into the pit and more money from drinks sales.

Poker was almost dead in vegas with many casinos having shut down their card rooms pre-poker boom.

Sigh.

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the cardroom side of the casino runs at a loss for most events when you think every member of staff is costing £85 per night even for a £20 rebuy thats say 3 staff =£255, free teas / food and  equipment. To break even you need 100 runners. what money could the casino make if they filled the cardrooms with roulette tables or slots?

The point of running poker tournaments is to fill the casino with people who otherwise wouldnt be there, they more than make their money back from the pit games, alcoholic drinks etc.

As for filling the casino with tables/slots - they are rarely full as it is, what does adding more do?

Nothing.

The point is the casinos are adding 300-500 quid to their pockets while making freezeouts completely unbeatable in the long run except by a very small few.

A poker room will never turn a profit - its benefits to the casino are traffic it brings into the pit and more money from drinks sales.

Poker was almost dead in vegas with many casinos having shut down their card rooms pre-poker boom.

Sigh.

Check out a casino in London on a Friday or Saturday night and tell me it isn't full!

The problem it appears to me is that most of the 'new breed' of players, the ones pushing up the numbers, are not the same people who go and play table games, they come for the poker and thats it. So despite the increase in runners the increase in gaming is not proportionate.

[snoopy1239]

SESSION FEES are a cash game terminology

REG FEES a tourney terminology

thus far in the UK this has been the case

however Session Fees, if applied to a torurnament, allow the venue to charge by time, eg by the hour, in tournaments

so are the rates given in the opening post going to be hourly fees?!

1 off fee's

They can charge for entry to the cardroom as well i believe.

Crapola, £3 juic for my weekly £10 freeout seems absurd. They make shitloads having 100+ more peeps there on an otherwise quiet night.

Defo think twice if it goes upto this level out of principle.

Yeah £3 for a whole nights service, how dare they!

If it's a one off fee, and you are charged the fee upon registering, then why isn't a 'registration fee' rather than a session fee.

I don't understand, surely all they are doing is increasing the reg fee.

[phatomch]

The difference beetween reg fee and session fee is just the legal way of being able to charge over 10% . You will only be charges 1 fee for each comp. The session fee will just replace reg fee.

[phatomch]

do you think Grosvenor/ blue square would have added £180,000 to the Gukpt tour next year without the extra money coming in?

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do you think Grosvenor/ blue square would have added £180,000 to the Gukpt tour next year without the extra money coming in?

Yes.


P.S. You seem to know a fair bit about the business of Grosvenor!

[phatomch]

i am a regular at grosvenors but when i speak about the upcoming changes it concerns all cardroom not just grosvenor and i was at the launch of the gukpt at the vic just being nosey. 

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i am a regular at grosvenors but when i speak about the upcoming changes it concerns all cardroom not just grosvenor and i was at the launch of the gukpt at the vic just being nosey. 

AH cool.

Yeah i think these changes had any impact on the GUKPT, that was always going to happen with added money, such is the wish of Jon Raab to do something for the players.

[tikay]

The difference beetween reg fee and session fee is just the legal way of being able to charge over 10% . You will only be charges 1 fee for each comp. The session fee will just replace reg fee.

There it is - "Session Fees" & "Registration" is just semantics, to appease the GC.

[tikay]

i am a regular at grosvenors but when i speak about the upcoming changes it concerns all cardroom not just grosvenor and i was at the launch of the gukpt at the vic just being nosey. 

Tournament Pokerists have never been as well looked after as they will be in 2007.

Grosvenor, Gala, APAT, & I'm sure others all have Value-added Series, & I think that's tremendous progress, & I'm delighted. Just wish I was a little younger!

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Tournament Pokerists have never been as well looked after as they will be in 2007.

And the internet......added value every night....

[tikay]

Tournament Pokerists have never been as well looked after as they will be in 2007.

And the internet......added value every night....

Exactly, Poker Added Value everywhere! And still there will be those who are not happy. Sheesh, in my day, we'd have shot 'em....