I think he's bluffing but...

[SupaMonkey]

I would have played it very differently. For a start, I would have been inclined to make a chunky check raise to see exactly where I was. It's a harmless rainbow flop, so you know that if he plays back at you, you're probably done with the hand. Secondly, I'd fold on the Turn. I don't want to call bets from pre-flop raisers with hands that I'm not sure I'm ahead with, expecially when it's likely to be followed by a River bet. Therefore, if you're going to call the Turn, you're saying I'm going to call the River too. If you don't plan on calling a River bet, then you should fold on the Turn.

Why? I would have just lead right into the preflop raiser and shut up shop if he calls. I find this is the way to lose the least on these types of hands. If he flop raises me then i wonder wtf he would raise me with on a super dry board and i'm likely to check call the turn and river lead (and ditch it to a raise here). What do you think?

I bet flushy posts next and uses 

[snoopy1239]

I would have played it very differently. For a start, I would have been inclined to make a chunky check raise to see exactly where I was. It's a harmless rainbow flop, so you know that if he plays back at you, you're probably done with the hand. Secondly, I'd fold on the Turn. I don't want to call bets from pre-flop raisers with hands that I'm not sure I'm ahead with, expecially when it's likely to be followed by a River bet. Therefore, if you're going to call the Turn, you're saying I'm going to call the River too. If you don't plan on calling a River bet, then you should fold on the Turn.

Why? I would have just lead right into the preflop raiser and shut up shop if he calls. I find this is the way to lose the least on these types of hands. If he flop raises me then i wonder wtf he would raise me with on a super dry board and i'm likely to check call the turn and river lead (and ditch it to a raise here). What do you think?

I bet flushy posts next and uses 

I'm not keen on betting out. If he smooth calls, you have no idea where you stand and it'll probably cost you to find out.

If he's got A-A, K-K, Q-Q, A-Q, K-Q, Q-J, 5-5 or 7-7 (all possible pre-flop raising hands), you're going to lose a big chunk with just Q-T. That's how I look at it. Why get attached when you can release early or check-raise to find out how strong he really is.

If he hasn't got any of those hands, then I doubt you'll make much with your Q-T anyhow. A lot to lose, not much to gain.

That's my view, I doubt many will agree though.

[SupaMonkey]

I'm not keen on betting out. If he smooth calls, you have no idea where you stand and it'll probably cost you to find out.

If he's got A-A, K-K, Q-Q, A-Q, K-Q, Q-J, 5-5 or 7-7 (all possible pre-flop raising hands), you're going to lose a big chunk with just Q-T. That's how I look at it. Why get attached when you can release early or check-raise to find out how strong he really is?

If he hasn't got any of those hands, then I doubt you'll make much with your Q-T anyhow. A lot to lose, not much to gain.

That's my view, I doubt many will agree though.

I disgaree, out of A-A, K-K, Q-Q, A-Q, K-Q, Q-J, 5-5 or 7-7 which smooth call you and which reraise you. Most smooth call you i think and that's why i'm more bothered by a smooth call than a reraise.

[snoopy1239]

I'm not keen on betting out. If he smooth calls, you have no idea where you stand and it'll probably cost you to find out.

If he's got A-A, K-K, Q-Q, A-Q, K-Q, Q-J, 5-5 or 7-7 (all possible pre-flop raising hands), you're going to lose a big chunk with just Q-T. That's how I look at it. Why get attached when you can release early or check-raise to find out how strong he really is?

If he hasn't got any of those hands, then I doubt you'll make much with your Q-T anyhow. A lot to lose, not much to gain.

That's my view, I doubt many will agree though.

I disgaree, out of A-A, K-K, Q-Q, A-Q, K-Q, Q-J, 5-5 or 7-7 which smooth call you and which reraise you. Most smooth call you i think and that's why i'm more bothered by a smooth call than a reraise.

So if he re-raised, would you play back at him??

Also, would you check call it down if he smooth-called you or fold on the Turn?

[SupaMonkey]

Imo, if he smooth calls you on the flop it is because he wants you to fire again on the turn. If he reraises the flop he is trying to define his hand (you could have MP and he could have KQ for instance).

[snoopy1239]

Imo, if he smooth calls you on the flop it is because he wants you to fire again on the turn. If he reraises the flop he is trying to define his hand (you could have MP and he could have KQ for instance).

I'd be inclined to agree, but... the quesitons in my previous post. What would you do?

[SupaMonkey]

Why? I would have just lead right into the preflop raiser and shut up shop if he calls. I find this is the way to lose the least on these types of hands. If he flop raises me then i wonder wtf he would raise me with on a super dry board and i'm likely to check call the turn and river lead (and ditch it to a raise here). What do you think?

I bet flushy posts next and uses 

[snoopy1239]

Why? I would have just lead right into the preflop raiser and shut up shop if he calls. I find this is the way to lose the least on these types of hands. If he flop raises me then i wonder wtf he would raise me with on a super dry board and i'm likely to check call the turn and river lead (and ditch it to a raise here). What do you think?

I bet flushy posts next and uses 

He could be re-raising with A-Q, Q-K, A-A, K-K, K-Q, J-Qs. He could also be bluffing. I don't think you'd find out too much.

What would you do if he smooth called?

[SupaMonkey]

Check fold. I know there may be some hands that i could be ahead of (JJ, say), but i think i would be behind alot of the time.

Why do you think he would reraise the flop with KQ+, KK+

[snoopy1239]

Check fold. I know there may be some hands that i could be ahead of (JJ, say), but i think i would be behind alot of the time.

I agree that if you are going to bet out the Flop and receive a smooth call, then you should check fold.

Why do you think he would reraise the flop with KQ+, KK+

Simply because that's what the majority of my opponents tend to do.

[SupaMonkey]

Ok fair enough. It's not what i would do.

Personally i don't like check raising unless i know i'm ahead or i'm bluffing/very weak (i.e. bottom pair). In this case, when you're not sure where you are at, betting out loses you the least when you are behind.

[UpTheMariners]

I folded the river, he showed his bluff, I got him back later.

what cards did he show when he bluffed? whats he raising preflop with?

[byronkincaid]

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