Crypto XMAS league EPT sat

[AlexMartin]

 Having immense respect for Paul and Flushy i read this thread and figured i'd give my pennies worth for shits and giggles.

I could go into a long analysis but tbh im never going to get pushers all-in range right. Personally, i have a few reasons why i think caling is wrong.
  
His stack is a huge chunk of mine. If i call and lose i have wasted chips that could later be used to double up with. If i do later double up i finally have the stack i need to avoid confrontation.

By calling i am forcing the hand to get to showdown.  In a sat like this i want to preferably chip away with my stack without any major risks. I want to play big pots with big hands and small pots otherwise.

It is a satellite and fold equity is amplified, especially if i have a stack. I can use this stack for tactical resteals, bluff raises, etc. These tools will be redundant if i call here.

His pushing range isnt any 2 cards. In a sat like this im putting him on any ace, any 2 face or any pair. The most likely event is that im dominated.

Against that range im not putting half my stack in jeopardy EVEN IF IT IS MARGINALLY +EV TO DO SO.

I should point out that i have NEVER qualified for any events even remotely coming close to this level. So it is not my area of expertise.

But flushy mate, i have at least tried to give a REASONED argument for why i think folding is the right play. And there's sure as hell more than one way to be a winning poker player.

[Royal Flush]

How likely is it that you go from 18 players to 10 players in 2 rounds? In your opinion.

[AlexMartin]

lol paul, you hungover too m8? its too bright for me to open the shutters so i thought id "contribute" here.
i must get round to e-mailing you about the D2D stuff.

[M3boy]

How likely is it that you go from 18 players to 10 players in 2 rounds? In your opinion.

Not very, but possible none the less.

[Royal Flush]

Having immense respect for Paul and Flushy i read this thread and figured i'd give my pennies worth for shits and giggles.

I could go into a long analysis but tbh im never going to get pushers all-in range right. Personally, i have a few reasons why i think caling is wrong.
 
His stack is a huge chunk of mine. If i call and lose i have wasted chips that could later be used to double up with. If i do later double up i finally have the stack i need to avoid confrontation.

By calling i am forcing the hand to get to showdown.  In a sat like this i want to preferably chip away with my stack without any major risks. I want to play big pots with big hands and small pots otherwise.

It is a satellite and fold equity is amplified, especially if i have a stack. I can use this stack for tactical resteals, bluff raises, etc. These tools will be redundant if i call here.

His pushing range isnt any 2 cards. In a sat like this im putting him on any ace, any 2 face or any pair. The most likely event is that im dominated.

Against that range im not putting half my stack in jeopardy EVEN IF IT IS MARGINALLY +EV TO DO SO.

I should point out that i have NEVER qualified for any events even remotely coming close to this level. So it is not my area of expertise.

But flushy mate, i have at least tried to give a REASONED argument for why i think folding is the right play. And there's sure as hell more than one way to be a winning poker player.

Finally! lol.

I made my argument for a call based on an any 2 push range, if its 2 face, pair or Ax then yes clearly i would fold, but if a player as tight as paul would push any 2 then i think its a fair range.

Don't forget a key part of crypto, mad ante's!

How likely is it that you go from 18 players to 10 players in 2 rounds? In your opinion.

Not very, but possible none the less.

Should we not just sit out and hope everyone gets it in next hand the CL on each table wins!

[M3boy]

Of course not.

A critical point here for me is that the BB STILL has to act. He is a short stack who now has the chance to trebble up.

How much do you like your A5 if the BB decides to push aswell? Costing you another 4k (almost) from your stack?

[Royal Flush]

Of course not.

A critical point here for me is that the BB STILL has to act. He is a short stack who now has the chance to trebble up.

How much do you like your A5 if the BB decides to push aswell? Costing you another 4k (almost) from your stack?

yeah if the bb wakes up with a hand its a bad spot, what hand does the BB need to call though? I think its a pretty tight range.

[dan]

i can see both james' and paul's side of the arguement debate.

A5 is marginal but also likely to be ahead, and winning a pot that size would put you in great shape to win a seat aswell as eliminating 1 more player.

for me its a fold out of the small blind but a call from the big, but only if i had the 18k in the big blind.

James you asked what the BB range would be to call after the SB calls, TBH if i had the 12k in the BB and the "any 2 pushed" from the button and the SB calls "with a wide range" i think id called with AK to try and treble up and give me a good chance from there.

I think the if you call from the SB you are gambling twice once that your A5 is good and again that the BB doesnt wake up with a hand.

I dont think either of you are wrong i dont think either of you are right i just think it comes down to whatever you think is right at the time. I dont know if paul has pushed from the button on the last 2 rounds and the SB is thinking if he does it again i will call with a marginal hand.

so i think you should agree to disagree its all down to personal preference.

[Royal Flush]

i think id called with AK to try and treble up and give me a good chance from there.

So would i, i call with TT+ AQ+ in the BB

[M3boy]

Dan, was my first push from the button.

I also think that the hand range from the BB point of view to call is very wide if he follows the same thought as most people.

ie any 2 from the push, and Ax from the SB

[AlexMartin]

"ie any 2 from the push, and Ax from the SB"

Too easy. I think he needs JJ+ and AK to call.

[M3boy]

With close to 10xBB , I dont see them folding any PP tbh.

[Royal Flush]

With close to 10xBB , I dont see them folding any PP tbh.

 

[dan]

With close to 10xBB , I dont see them folding any PP tbh.

 

lol, im going to the inlaws for lunch now, i will look forward to reading this debate when i come back

[M3boy]

With close to 10xBB , I dont see them folding any PP tbh.

 

I personally would not ship it with ANY pp.

I am saying, I have seen MANY people not be able to pass a PP here.