Sensation at the Sandcastle - Blackpool Disqualification!

[ripple11]

The main issue is obviously the lack of professionalism shown by Grovesnor.


IMO they should of said nothing let him play out the game. When he has
finished a quite word in the ear asking him to leave.

Regards

M

Exactly.....a bit of common sense would have solved the problem.

[7djl]

Well i think there is a much bigger point here and it has nothing to do with any of the players or what they should have done, or weather it is Ali who we all know and like it has much more to do with the way we are treated as people not just poker players by this massive company that has no clue of how to treat people.

1. we turn up for comps that are on the whole poorly run with some rules that are chopped and changed and rulings that are often incorrect/unfair or dam right stupid.

WE STILL PLAY

2. we pay juice on every comp and don't always receive half the standard things which should go hand and hand with this self deal , old tatty tables , poor lighting, etc.

WE STILL PLAY

3. if we have a problem or would like an input it is mostly met with an unfriendly or unhelpful reception.

WE STILL PLAY

I think it is long overdue as players we need a proper national set of rules/guidelines and player representative that police the competions for both sides of the felt players and cardrooms alike that are both knowledgeable and have a proper understanding of poker and how to deal with disputes fairly and sensibly.As long as we carry on handing over are money to this massive company and getting treated like mugs we will carry on being treated as the mugs we are.This is a company that when they decide to bar you that they send you a 4 line letter telling you that you are no longer welcome with no reason as to why. To try and get back into this company is not the easiest of things but really when you look about at the other casino companies and poker rooms were would you rather be a place that you  always feel that they don't really give a shit about you or a place you like and enjoy playing poker in the Stanley's and London clubs group of companies for starters. I think my money now is always on the other side now after the way i have been dealt with and also the feeling that to get back in takes a serious amount of groveling but for what badly run comps buy a company that will **** you as soon as look at you. OK the GUKPT looks great but lets wait for the reality and then judge. Many thanks to all that have tried to help get my bar lifted but after my good old chat with the lovely John Butler of Rank Leisure i think my days of playing in the Grosvenor's are done. Well good luck to the rest of you but don't step out of the very varying rules that they like to implement because it could be you next.

[Colchester Kev]

Lloydy, why did you get a ban ??  was it for running your own game ?

[77dave]

Lloydy, why did you get a ban ??  was it for running your own game ?

yes kev it was


1 player at a GC invited another player to lloydy's game without his knowledge. Management found out and barred him for it. 

[Royal Flush]

Running an illegal rival game seems fair reason for a ban to me.

[RED-DOG]

Flushie is to tact what Lazaroonie is to hang gliding.

[Royal Flush]

Flushie is to tact what Lazaroonie is to hang gliding.

[7djl]

not a rival game as a business a home game with mates why the wife was expecting my 4th and not aloud out much but all blown out of perportion and local scumbags stirring trouble. but hey thats poker plenty more places were they are happy to have players and happy to look after us all properly

[thetank]

Flushie is to tact what Lazaroonie is to hang gliding.

An extremely late entry for post of the year, gets my vote.
 

[Colchester Kev]

Flushie is to tact what Lazaroonie is to hang gliding.

An extremely late entry for post of the year, gets my vote.
 

Extremely early surely

[Royal Flush]

Well it was made at 10:30 on the 31st

[AndyG]

Im shocked ! I have no idea what has gone on here but it seems a bit strange to me, If Ali was banned then that is upto the casino but if they let him start the comp in error they should have let him finish in my opinion. However I would like to touch on something , I have witnessed various displays of outrageous behavour in comps over the years including the threatening of players or dealers and my own pet hate of people standing up and shouting the worst kind of things when winning a pot very few if ANY of these examples have resulted in a ban for the offending person EVEN if the person concerned made a habit of doing it, ( being synical maybe the amount they stake on the house tables during breaks affected the decision ) I find it very hard to believe that Ali would have done anything this bad unless pushed to the limit in some way as in my opinion the man is a gentleman and a credit to the game

[AndyG]

In reply to Aristons coment about the other players I feel that a deal should have been done as well as this is in my opinion the only fair way to handle the situation however money does funny things to people 3 years ago in the main event at a Walsall festival we came back for the final table where Paul jackson was chip leader ( I think if not near to ) terrible news greeted us from the cardroom manager that Pauls wife had been taken very ill and had unfortunately passed away ( thank god this was incorrect she was very ill but hadnt passed away ) anyway obviously this meant that our chip leader would not be returning, Every single player at that table with the exeption of 1 very well known player who you would think didnt need the money as much as the other players voted to call it a day and pay Paul his winning money on a chip count basis, But due the fact that all players didnt agree the comp went ahead as normal, So to try and arrange deals in bad situations isnt as easy as it sounds when you have 1 player who is being a bastard

[tikay]

Im shocked ! I have no idea what has gone on here but it seems a bit strange to me, If Ali was banned then that is upto the casino but if they let him start the comp in error they should have let him finish in my opinion. However I would like to touch on something , I have witnessed various displays of outrageous behavour in comps over the years including the threatening of players or dealers and my own pet hate of people standing up and shouting the worst kind of things when winning a pot very few if ANY of these examples have resulted in a ban for the offending person EVEN if the person concerned made a habit of doing it, ( being synical maybe the amount they stake on the house tables during breaks affected the decision ) I find it very hard to believe that Ali would have done anything this bad unless pushed to the limit in some way as in my opinion the man is a gentleman and a credit to the game

We must be careful here Andy, not to mix up apples & pears.

The issue of whether Ali should have been allowed to play is one thing, & has been thrashed to death on here, quite well in my view.

The issue of player behaviour is quite seperate.

First off, Ali's alleged misdemeanour was NOT in a Tournament, & while that makes it no lesser or greater an (alleged) "improper act", you are talking in your Post, if I am not mistaken, about player behaviour in Tournament Poker.

You & I have partaken in hundreds of Live Tourneys, but in the UK, neither you & I have EVER seen a player reprimanded or disqualified. Maybe once, but thats about it. Why so? Because we dont really have TD's, in the UK. To be more precise, we DO have TD's, good ones too, I'm sure, but they don't run Cardrooms. That's not a criticism of Cardroom Managers, but those guys have their hands tied to a degree, & are constrained by other considerations.

Go to Mainland Europe & it's totallly different - they empower their TD's over there to act as they see fit, & they do - one sees time penalties & disqualifications regularly, & player behaviour is so much better. In Scandinavia, where the players are pilloried & mocked for their loose play, their table manners are quite exemplary. Even America, devoid of the slightest understanding of morals, ethics or good manners (step aside for a Mad Yank intervention, eeekkkk) impose Penalties for improper behaviour at the Poker Table.

So until that's addressed, player behaviour in the UK will continue it's downhill slide.

Happy New Year Andy, let's see a bit more of you in the Venues this year, you are much missed. Well, your value is......

xx

[bigalhx1]

i don't think the players should decide wot happens to ali chips as in most cases  they will just look after themself and not work on the best deal for ali . the casino should have rules set down in black and white so when these sort of things happen you know where you stand