a question borne out of the sandcastle debacle

[tikay]

I guess the top & bottom of the Ali Mallu affair is simply that, it has nothing to do with the GC. If you are Banned by the Casino, you cannot enter the Premises, & thats that. One imagines there is a GC "Guideline" that suggests as much - "Banned Members may not enter Licensed Premises bla bla bla".

[quantify]

thanks dik , i understand that , as you say guideline 3 states xyz,,,,   but does it state in guideline 3b what the rules are for the start of the secone day... i know im stating the obvious but were does it actually state the second day etc.............

or is it just .. it doesnt say it so we will change he originall ruling

[quantify]

i know its late and your pension comes tommorow so you can get to specsavers mate but THIS QUESTION IS BORNE OUT OF THE ALLIGATE  and we have moved on to the general ruling re entering a csino late on the second day.

now fire up the horlicks and pull yer blanket back up yer bathchair

[dik9]

There are no rules relating to how many players can be sat at a table, this is usually a TD that doesnt want to rearrange the whole seating plan, or start a new table 2 minutes before the start. And yes sometimes the guidelines are used as an improper defence, as the layman knows no better, rather than tell the truth I have seen supervisors hide behind the "Rules"? To allow the TD to set up a registration ending time is used about 5-15 minutes before start of comp usually. If these are in place, then it is unfair to be strict on them some days and waive them the next, as invariably the person turned down yesterday, would get there early and ensure it not happen

Nick the guidelines are here

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You can be as late as you like for the second the day, there is no rule.

Some casinos will however double your ante and some may just take your blinds when they are due.

it is in PDF form on the GC website

[tikay]

i know its late and your pension comes tommorow so you can get to specsavers mate but THIS QUESTION IS BORNE OUT OF THE ALLIGATE  and we have moved on to the general ruling re entering a csino late on the second day.

now fire up the horlicks and pull yer blanket back up yer bathchair

ooh!

 

[dik9]

I guess the top & bottom of the Ali Mallu affair is simply that, it has nothing to do with the GC. If you are Banned by the Casino, you cannot enter the Premises, & thats that. One imagines there is a GC "Guideline" that suggests as much - "Banned Members may not enter Licensed Premises bla bla bla".

Casinos are private member clubs, and as such can bar people without giving any reason whatsoever, letters can be written to the GC to complain and they will investigate, but this will not ensure your entry again. Most casinos are sensible about this, but I have heard of people being barred for winning too much.

[doubleup]

Nick the guidelines are here

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Is there porn or manhood enhancing drugs for sale at the GC website?

[dik9]

Sorry that was my fault, i linked to an article in a poker site I help run

[quantify]

pm dik please i really would like to read them

[quantify]

weel bugger me ive just read the gaming rules specific to poker .

the second day of the tournement is NOT covered and is totally discretionary,  so if you are late the casino could just remove your chips. but they dont .....

this to me is very bizarre for such a tight industry with regards to laws , they can shut you down at the drop of a hat but their rules are very loose......


im really surprised they dont cover this , you break the guidelines if you are late on day one and then play. ie you arent on the premises  but day 2 it doesnt matter if you are on the premises  or not. so woudnt you think they (the casinos) would have thinktanks that cover every probabilty ,just to cover their own backs so they dont fall foul of ambigous rules..

if this doesnt highlight how we need a governing poker body then what does, if the lawmakers are so lax then we could fall foul anytime.

imagine if an inspection is held at the finalday  of the ept at the ...... casino in england and the inspector asks where seat 9 is , the casino responds by saying he is late , the said inspector then interprets the rule that he should be on the premisis. prob would never happen but it could.

the problem we have is that ,to set precendent ,we have to  have a ruling made ..........  this may never happen but i bet you never thought a high profile poker player like ali could end up in the position he found himself , let alone the ret of the guys on the final table............   

[dik9]

But day two is a continuation of the same tourny, just as coming back off a break, thats why it isn't covered. It is the same comp. A TD would not take your chips off the table for not returning after a break, therefore should not take any chips off the table for the second day. In Ali's case he was disqualified, and if you are disqualified your chips should come off IMO anyway.

[quantify]

i know that mate im just playing devils advocate , on the basis you are  ( as a td,) interpreting a piece of loose legisaltion that has not been challenged , purely on the basis that they only cover the first day .......... ie who says you are allowed to let someone be late for the second day.............can you or any other td in this country say hand on heart why the rule is there for day one,and not for day 2.

 for every rule you have an interpretation sat behind it, in law these are generally led by an interpretation (that sets the law) this can then be challenged by way of a "precedent" that can change that law/.

who can tell me what the reason or interpretation is for the day one rule, is it set because the player cannot play /gamble if he is not on the casino premises..........therefore he cant on anyday..................this does appear to have contradictions but an interesting discussion point and thanks for indulging me .

[dik9]

It is all about the entry part of the competition, you must be on the premises, as you say this can be interpreted a number of ways.

I would like to think that being there at the start is fair, as people may want to register but it may be full. The fact that they are there and the others aren't isn't "fair". This is only one explanation, and am sure that others "interpret" it different. A few years ago I asked the question to the then Gaming Board why we could not have alternates, to try and aliviate this problem. And was greeted by the response that British Gaming Guidelines does not "as it stands" allow for this due to the "must be on the premises at the start of the competition" rule. This possibly can change, but it is down to an organization to Lobby the GC  The response at the moment is, this is the way it has always been LOL.

Day two or three need not be covered because it is the same competition that was complied with at the start. I think there is some confusion regarding Ali Mallu's situation, his chips were not taken off because he was not there (as i understand), and as far as i am aware, nobodies chips will ever be taken off due to absenteeism (other than disqualified) in any part of the comp after it has started.

[Ironside]

the rules are in there so that "joe bloggs" doesnt pay his entery fee then fails to turn up, and asks for his money back

under the LAW he is entitled to getting his stake back as a void bet

the casino also has to let players know the payout they wouldnt be able to do this as they would have no idea how many of the runners tan didnt turn up at start are late arrvals and how many are no shows untill they have blinded out at which time there dead stacs have affected the event but no consiquences to the person who stack is blind out

once he has sat at the table (start of comp) he can no longer under the law claim a Void bet as he has partaken in a part of the event

so day 2 isnt effected as he is no longer able to claim his bet back

[dik9]

the rules are in there so that "joe bloggs" doesnt pay his entery fee then fails to turn up, and asks for his money back

This is also a problem with pre registration, I know of a few people that will pre register for 3 comps that start at the same time, then choose the best value after making phone calls to friends who are present.

This is why if you pre register, you must approach the Supervisor to tell them you have arrived before the last registration is taken, as to allow players to fill their seats if they did not turn up.