Flop a set, but...

[kinboshi]

No big reads on anyone, other than jmailman who is a very passive calling station.


PokerStars Game #7820067687:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/01/07 - 19:30:30 (ET)
Table 'Wodan II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: boston pats ($132.80 in chips)
Seat 2: SunTzuReps ($102.40 in chips)
Seat 3: kinboshi ($106.50 in chips)
Seat 4: jmailman ($108.25 in chips)
Seat 5: TheFullyDown ($24.35 in chips)
Seat 6: ale_k300 ($101 in chips)
kinboshi: posts small blind $0.50
jmailman: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kinboshi [ ]
TheFullyDown: folds
ale_k300: folds
boston pats: folds
SunTzuReps: raises $3 to $4
kinboshi: calls $3.50
jmailman: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
kinboshi: bets $8
SunTzuReps: raises $25 to $33

[SupaMonkey]

Personally i call and then check raise him allin on the turn.

[TightEnd]

push it in now. Without player notes his range includes TPTK, flush and straight draws, two pairs, overpairs in addition to the offchance he might have the straight/set already

Make him pay the max to hit most of the hands his range suggests he needs to hit

if it is set vs set or set vs straight so be it

[NoflopsHomer]

Personally i call and then check raise him allin on the turn.

Why? If a scare card comes on the turn and we are ahead, he slows down. I think he has AA-JJ, so half the time you get stacked and the other half you're a huge favourite.

[SupaMonkey]

Fair enough but i think his range is much wider than JJ+. My thinking was just that he would fire again on the turn, thereby pretty much commiting himself to the pot.

[Bongo]

Surely you wanted/expected him to raise when you bet out?

[Smart Money]

Because he raised pre-flop, and has re-raised your flop bet his most likely holding is AA/KK of course

It's almost guaranteed that he's not going anyway if you push it in now. (Give a convincing drawn out pause, before throwing the lot in. )

There are probably 18 cards that could slow him down on the turn; any 8, T, K, J, or Q.

Re-raise all-in on the flop.

[kinboshi]

Cheers guys.  I thought the right thing to do was to get my chips in - I didn't think I should be throwing my set away here. 

He hadn't been playing anything out of the ordinary, just ABC poker really - so I pretty much knew he had a pocket pair TT-AA, and was hoping he didn't have JJ or QQ.

I got lucky.


*** FLOP *** [ ]
kinboshi: bets $8
SunTzuReps: raises $25 to $33
kinboshi: raises $69.50 to $102.50 and is all-in
SunTzuReps: calls $65.40 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kinboshi: shows [ ] (four of a kind, Nines)
SunTzuReps: mucks hand
kinboshi collected $202.80 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $205.80 | Rake $3
Board [ ]
Seat 1: boston pats folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: SunTzuReps (button) mucked [ ]
Seat 3: kinboshi (small blind) showed [ ] and won ($202.80) with four of a kind, Nines
Seat 4: jmailman (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: TheFullyDown folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ale_k300 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


(I'll give the 50p on his behalf...)

[TightEnd]

you did the right thing, regardless

nh sir, lets hope you save a little bit of form for Denmark!!

[Highstack]

Set over set is always horrible ... but in turning quads, I think you have found the answer that we all strive for

[kinboshi]

Set over set is always horrible ... but in turning quads, I think you have found the answer that we all strive for

It did ruin the suspense though...I'd have preferred the case nine on the river. 

The other fella took it pretty well too.  I obviously apologised (whilst shouting who's your daddy at the screen, and waking the wife up in the process), and he said it was just one of those hands. 

Nice to be on the receiving end of the draw-out every once in a while though.

[Highstack]

Set over set is always horrible ... but in turning quads, I think you have found the answer that we all strive for

It did ruin the suspense though...I'd have preferred the case nine on the river. 

And miss all that fun of whether he will redraw the case Jack? I think I am just sick

[kinboshi]

And miss all that fun of whether he will redraw the case Jack? I think I am just sick

A very good point.  But I agree, I think you're sick...