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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2007, 06:32:47 AM »

okay now i've read everyones replies i feel the need to lecture a little on TOURNAMENT STRATERGY. you have 1700 left! that's 34 BB. thirty fucking four!! and you're thinking of PUSHING?! jesus fucking christ you have a playable stack behind you and you're going to push when there's every chance someone has checked with J10 or a made flush. i thought we stopped overplaying AK after we broke through .01/.02 limit?! would you not check that board if you had J10 or a made flush? OF COURSE YOU WOULD. and who knows one of the two players before you may have. but OH NO LETS PUSH AND HOPE. terrible terrible tournament play. at such an early stage. you have 6 BB dedicated to the pot and you want to chuck the remaining 34 in IN HOPE. i'm disgusted. wheres the spanking smilie when you need one??!?

No way is pushing "terrible tournament play."

It's a good flop for your hand, given the pot to stack ratio. PLENTY of worse hands can call a push on the flop including other 2 pairs, gutshots with flush draws, pairs and gutshots even. Maybe some kipper with just an ace. Early doors of tournaments there's lots of bad players' chips about which you should be aiming to pick up. I've seen allins on flops like these called by A2 at least in tournaments up to 100$ level.

If you were deeper to the pot, then you could play the hand more cautiously. As it is, I think it's bad to bet and fold to a riase and bad to check. Therefore, pushing is ok. At less than 1.5 x the pot it's hardly a massive overbet! (1700 into a 1250 pot)

Of course you sometimes run into a flopped bigger hand. This is pretty unfortunate but when you do you'll have outs. Most of the time you will pick up the pot right now or be called by an inferior or possibly coinflipping hand.

I don't mind making a half pot bet either here, willing to commit to or even possibly pass on a bad turn. If it gets raised on the flop  then I'd be going with it, bar some unusually knowledgeable read I had on someone.



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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2007, 07:42:30 AM »

How can anyone even think of checking this flop? There are 15 danger cards that could hit on the turn. fif fucking teen!! Smiley

The made flush is very unlikely, seeing as the ace of spades is out, and I'd lay big odds on the straight being there already too.

Either bet 3/4 to full pot, and call and push, or keep it simple and chuck them in yourself.

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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2007, 08:34:38 AM »

I cannot believe anyone is considering checking or folding this hand , your after raising 6 x BB and with the top 3 spades on the board its extremely unlikely anyone has a flush unless ur dealing with complete kippers ! also i find it unlikely that anyone had J10  and if they have good luck to them

Either bet the pot and commit yourself or else just push ALL IN there and then , that really shud be the only choices u have to make here.

P.S all this balony about "tournament life" and "34 BB's" is a bit ridiculous imo , if your not gonna gamble early in a tourney when will you ?

It's simple you either double up and get a nice foothold in a tourney or else you start another one , having not wasted anytime waiting for AA (just to be sure your ahead)
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2007, 05:56:24 PM »

i stand by my statements. and my record. thankyou. i'm no folding machine. but no fucking way do i ever push in hope here. you don't have to gamble to win tournaments. you just have to pick your spots. and this couldn't really be anymore dangerous. and thinking about tournament life is ridiculous? you sound very insecure with your ability to make back chips after losing a mere 18% of your stack at an early stage. that is if you go on to lose the hand!
also the idea that someone isn't going to be in there with J10 is unrealistic. people call big raises with J10 all the time because it's believed it can crack monsters. even with only 40 BB. yeah. that happens. it's possible. and they'd check the flop because they'd know someone would have a peice of it to info bet on the flop behind them.
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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2007, 06:26:30 PM »

Tempor ....... I think you need a doctor , you seem to have a case of TLS (tournament life syndrome)
 
SHIP SHIP SHIP and expect to see AJ KQ A10

P.S if the original poster gonna inform us as to what happened here ? (not that the outcome is relevant to making the right move )
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2007, 07:33:27 PM »

you don't have to gamble to win tournaments.


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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2007, 09:51:43 PM »

not to THAT EXTENT is what i mean.
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2007, 10:32:55 PM »

I push
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