bolton last night

[Royal Flush]

Where you there bazza? how did i miss you if you were.

[vinni]

Where you there bazza? how did i miss you if you were.

Why did the reraiser reveal his cards before he had been called for the exta 900?

no m8 i was to late getting in from a meeting .
he didnt know he had been raised cause of his ipod ,couldnt hereanything .lol

[I KNOW IT]

Where you there bazza? how did i miss you if you were.

Why did the reraiser reveal his cards before he had been called for the exta 900?

no m8 i was to late getting in from a meeting .
he didnt know he had been raised cause of his ipod ,couldnt he.reanything .lol

No, I mean the guy who re raised to 1k. why did he reveal his cards before the other guy put the extra 900 in.
Wasnt he paying attention either?

[vinni]

cause he reveiled his thinking it was a fold

[I KNOW IT]

cause he reveiled his thinking it was a fold

Well that guy is also at fault for not protecting his intrests in the hand, fair ruling imho.

Everyone has an obligation in protecting their own hand from dealer, player errors. The guy obviously wasnt paying enough attention to know the other guy hadnt called his reraise,like the other guy failed to realise he had been re raised. both equally
to blame

[doubleup]

What were the "last mans" cards - if he had a very strong hand the td might have considered that he would have called the 1000.  I think this kind of ruling would be on very shaky ground but might provide some explanation as to the odd ruling. 

[I KNOW IT]

What were the "last mans" cards - if he had a very strong hand the td might have considered that he would have called the 1000.  I think this kind of ruling would be on very shaky ground but might provide some explanation as to the odd ruling. 

Why is it an odd ruling?

[doubleup]

What were the "last mans" cards - if he had a very strong hand the td might have considered that he would have called the 1000.  I think this kind of ruling would be on very shaky ground but might provide some explanation as to the odd ruling. 

Why is it an odd ruling?

errrr the man didn't call the raise and exposed his cards - in many cardrooms his hand would be declared dead when he exposed it.  His actions led the raiser to consider that he had folded, not surprisingly.  Although if the raiser triumphantly showed a bluff, that'll learn him.   

[I KNOW IT]

What were the "last mans" cards - if he had a very strong hand the td might have considered that he would have called the 1000.  I think this kind of ruling would be on very shaky ground but might provide some explanation as to the odd ruling. 

Why is it an odd ruling?

errrr the man didn't call the raise and exposed his cards - in many cardrooms his hand would be declared dead when he exposed it.  His actions led the raiser to consider that he had folded, not surprisingly.  Although if the raiser triumphantly showed a bluff, that'll learn him.   

errrrrrrrrrrr if you read my post, they were equally to blame. Why didnt the 2nd guy realise the 1st hadnt called the extra 900? for the same reason as the 1st. They were not paying enough attention. Exposing your hand unintentionally does not deem it dead, in some casinos you are even allowed to expose when heads up.
You are responsible for your own hand and the protection of your intrests in a pot

[doubleup]

Why is it an odd ruling?
 Exposing your hand unintentionally does not deem it dead, in some casinos you are even allowed to expose when heads up.

I have never played a tournament in a British Casino where a player is allowed to expose his hand before a showdown.

I rarely play tornaments in the UK so this might have changed - where have you seen it allowed?

[I KNOW IT]

Why is it an odd ruling?
 Exposing your hand unintentionally does not deem it dead, in some casinos you are even allowed to expose when heads up.

I have never played a tournament in a British Casino where a player is allowed to expose his hand before a showdown.

I rarely play tornaments in the UK so this might have changed - where have you seen it allowed?

I have experienced it 1st hand at blackpool, I dont agree with it btw

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I have experienced it 1st hand at blackpool, I dont agree with it btw

Ok so if I'm shortstacked on the bubble in a sattelite in Blackpool, I can move in with AA and flip my cards over - good to know.

[vinni]

craig it wasnt like that ,his hand was expossed when the td ask to show the hands ,
hence the showing of the cards .the man who raised the 1k is very experianced .
he wasnt very happy with the dicision.

[I KNOW IT]

craig it wasnt like that ,his hand was expossed when the td ask to show the hands ,
hence the showing of the cards .the man who raised the 1k is very experianced .
he wasnt very happy with the dicision.

You are confusing me now?? So you are saying the TD made the 2nd player expose his hand .

In that case,IMO if player 1 exposed his hand by accident (as in not realising there had been a raise) the TD should have informed him of the raise and given him the option of folding or calling the raise. not  allowing him to reraise. This is without player 2 exposing his hand.
Then informing him next time he will recieve a penalty.

I dont like the idea of killing someones hand if they unintentionally exposed their hand, as it leads to angle
 shooting from the other player trying to win the pot by default.

Strange the TD just made the player2 expose his hand

[vinni]

craig it wasnt like that ,his hand was expossed when the td ask to show the hands ,
hence the showing of the cards .the man who raised the 1k is very experianced .
he wasnt very happy with the dicision.

You are confusing me now?? So you are saying the TD made the 2nd player expose his hand .

In that case,IMO if player 1 exposed his hand by accident (as in not realising there had been a raise) the TD should have informed him of the raise and given him the option of folding or calling the raise. not  allowing him to reraise. This is without player 2 exposing his hand.
Then informing him next time he will recieve a penalty.

I dont like the idea of killing someones hand if they unintentionally exposed their hand, as it leads to angle
 shooting from the other player trying to win the pot by default.

Strange the TD just made the player2 expose his hand

craig thats why the td said give him his 900 back it was a bad move by the td he didnt try to win it by default ,you know the player involved and hes one of the most honnest players you could meet.
i know if it was me i would have thrown a wobbler big style