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hey guys ive just been watching the main event from 2002 and 2003
some of the play is ridiculous!!( even taking into consideration tv editing)
so i put it to you who is the worst player to win the big one???
i alwaus thought it was moneymaker now tho there is no doubt in my mind that robert varkoni is worse..
over to you....
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2007, 12:35:40 AM » |
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2007, 12:45:26 AM » |
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I wasn't keen on Jamie Gold's talking to distract the other players, for this reason I pick him
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2007, 01:12:03 AM » |
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I'd say Moneymaker or Varkoni, Gold is a great winner,mentored by the best. Not too sure whats going on with all that rubbish about his 50% deal though.
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2007, 01:40:57 AM » |
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2007, 01:41:44 AM » |
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monkeymaker
his sukout against ivey was a travesty
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2007, 01:44:11 AM » |
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his sukout against ivey was a travesty
I seem to remember him having a huge hand as well though? Cant remember - did he play it that badly? |
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2007, 01:47:19 AM » |
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I would happily like to be any of them for a day, just to know how it feels to be WSOP champion
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2007, 04:00:18 AM » |
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Moneymaker can play and didn't make any huge mistakes all the way through, the move he put on Farha was world class and he has since made WPT final tables. Played with him in St Maarten and he impressed me before he drank 40 bottles of beer then he played just like me.
Raymer got lucky numerous times on the final table but his performance the year after in the main event showed it wasn't a fluke. The following year was more impressive for me. Played with him a few times and rate him highly.
Hachem is the best of the bunch as a player. Took me out in last years aussie millions and I was honestly amazed by some of his plays in the 8 hours I shared a table with him. He will be winning wsops, wpts etc for as long as he wants to.
Gold although imo a total **** played perfect poker for me this year and managed to win without ever being allin and was chip leader from the end of day3. Anyone who claims him to be a donk doesn't know poker. Anyone who thinks he's a **** for his on table antics and alleged % stealing is a good judge of character.
Winner by a million miles is Varkoni who donked his way through a small field and got his money in bad so many times it was untrue. He sat on table with a few of us in St Maarten and I swear if you hadn't seen him on the TV you would think he was an internet newbie. He was like a rabbit in startled headlights when anyone put any moves on him and there is no way he will ever win another tournament of any stature.
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2007, 11:58:35 AM » |
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Moneymaker can play and didn't make any huge mistakes all the way through, the move he put on Farha was world class and he has since made WPT final tables. Played with him in St Maarten and he impressed me before he drank 40 bottles of beer then he played just like me.
Raymer got lucky numerous times on the final table but his performance the year after in the main event showed it wasn't a fluke. The following year was more impressive for me. Played with him a few times and rate him highly.
Hachem is the best of the bunch as a player. Took me out in last years aussie millions and I was honestly amazed by some of his plays in the 8 hours I shared a table with him. He will be winning wsops, wpts etc for as long as he wants to.
Gold although imo a total **** played perfect poker for me this year and managed to win without ever being allin and was chip leader from the end of day3. Anyone who claims him to be a donk doesn't know poker. Anyone who thinks he's a **** for his on table antics and alleged % stealing is a good judge of character.
Winner by a million miles is Varkoni who donked his way through a small field and got his money in bad so many times it was untrue. He sat on table with a few of us in St Maarten and I swear if you hadn't seen him on the TV you would think he was an internet newbie. He was like a rabbit in startled headlights when anyone put any moves on him and there is no way he will ever win another tournament of any stature.
very well put mr ariston couldnt agree more varkoni's play, or at least what we seen on espn coverage, on day 1 of 2003 was REALLY bad. i liked brunson " idon't mean to degrade him but......." |
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2007, 12:02:14 PM » |
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2007, 02:52:18 PM » |
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Robert Varkoni i think its agreed is the worst winner from recent years, i mean he has not got close in another big tourney since. All the winners since i believe can play a bit, Hachem and Raymer especially.
Worst of all time from what i understand the 1979 winner Hal Flower was who was a complete amateur who was never heard of again after he donked all his winnings off within 12 months of his win.*
* I think it was him might have been another of the winner from the mid 80's.
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2007, 04:29:44 PM » |
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yeah varkoni is definately the worst since 2000. pretty common knowledge. i mean when do you ever hear anyone talk about him in a good light?! lol.
also. why does everyone seem to respect raymer? i've seen a couple of hand historys from big pots he won on day 2 i think it was that were proper hilarious! one of them involved an 11 x BB preflop raise from the cut off with KJ sooted!
the following year was impressive but alot of people have said it was partly because he got alot of chips early on due to people wanting to take pots off him and calling him with absoulte shit constantly?
i think moneymaker played a far better final table than raymer. raymer had absoultely no challenge heads up against david williams whereas moneymaker had to overcome one of the best all round players in the world. and to be fair he outplayed him on the night.
jamie gold. although the luckiest fucker in the world. did seem to get paid all those times he flopped the nuts. and it takes a good player... or talker... to get paid. but unlike the other winners. he has no class.
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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2007, 07:01:21 PM » |
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also. why does everyone seem to respect raymer? i've seen a couple of hand historys from big pots he won on day 2 i think it was that were proper hilarious! one of them involved an 11 x BB preflop raise from the cut off with KJ sooted!
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2007, 07:16:06 PM » |
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Raymer was one of the best strat posters on 2p2 and helped many people with their game. by all accounts he would be happy to still be posting in the strat forums but he started getting flamed massively after he won the WSOP so he had to stop. He gets respect cos of the hours he spent discussing hands on the internet.
Farha may be world class at omaha and other games but if his hands that were shown on HSP are any indication he ain't that good at NL HE cash.
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