P4C

[Tractor]

brush/carpet it seems.

[tikay]

brush/carpet it seems.

By whom?

[Tractor]

Sorry that dindt really help buy saying that, i was meaning it seems that matter has been delt with by P4C enough to let things go quiet and get forgotten about.

Not you Tikay.

[tikay]

Sorry that dindt really help buy saying that, i was meaning it seems that matter has been delt with by P4C enough to let things go quiet and get forgotten about.

Not you Tikay.

No prob mate.

Certainly not forgotten about by me!

I was accused by many of deliberately "stirring" & "causing trouble". That's just ridiculous.

We eventually got the money to Stacey, so that was good.

So we decided to lock the thread for Christmas, & quietly re-open it in the New Year, & see if anyone Posted. They never did, so I said no more.

If I'm asked to comment further, or justify my actions, or the position blonde has taken, you can be assured, I/we most certainly will.

I am immensely proud of the way the blonde Members dealt with this. It was, after all, mostly their money that was donated.

But we wanted to "cool things" over Christmas, as, when all is said & done, everybody started out on this road with good intentions. But somewhere along the line, things went off the track. It was never, in my personal opinion, intended that the things that happened, would happen, it just went wrong somewhere.

[thetank]

The main thing I want to know is the charity's plan for the future.

Whether or not they intend to disband, if not, does any restructuring need to be done in 2007, or are there other means by which they mean to do better?

I considered bumping the old thread, but did not feel the need to press them. It is, after all, in their own interests to post here and make their case. I imagine there are many people on here not intending to give them a penny of support unitl the charity can increase their level of confidence the money is doing good.

If the charity continues to trade, but they just want to bury their heads in the sand on this issue. If they choose not to defend themselves on here, they will undoubtedly hurt themselves even more.

[ariston]

I wont comment on p4c anymore as I am sure you were all quite clear on my feelings about them and Maureen,Reece and Stacey and how they handled their business affairs.

What I would like to do is congratulate Blue Square for taking 4 masseuses to Bolton at great cost to themselves (imagine the cost for all 4 from a top Chelsea Health Studio) and allowing all tips made to go to a local charity. The local charity was Bolton Hospice who looked after my father in his final days and I am sure the collections will total a couple of grand or so (many of they players were tipping 20s and fifties). I am sure Mr Raab will confirm exactly how much was donated when the tins have all been emptied and I have been assured every single penny collected goes straight to the hospice.

[tikay]

I wont comment on p4c anymore as I am sure you were all quite clear on my feelings about them and Maureen,Reece and Stacey and how they handled their business affairs.

What I would like to do is congratulate Blue Square for taking 4 masseuses to Bolton at great cost to themselves (imagine the cost for all 4 from a top Chelsea Health Studio) and allowing all tips made to go to a local charity. The local charity was Bolton Hospice who looked after my father in his final days and I am sure the collections will total a couple of grand or so (many of they players were tipping 20s and fifties). I am sure Mr Raab will confirm exactly how much was donated when the tins have all been emptied and I have been assured every single penny collected goes straight to the hospice.

Blue Square announced the figure at the end of each day - I believe it was £1,200 after Day Two. I was not present for Day Three, I won't bore you with the reasons.....

Howard Plant had SEVEN massages, & donated several hundred pounds. His jokes are a little wearisome (after 200+ repeats) but his heart is pure gold.

[tikay]

The main thing I want to know is the charity's plan for the future.

Whether or not they intend to disband, if not, does any restructuring need to be done in 2007, or are there other means by which they mean to do better?

I considered bumping the old thread, but did not feel the need to press them. It is, after all, in their own interests to post here and make their case. I imagine there are many people on here not intending to give them a penny of support unitl the charity can increase their level of confidence the money is doing good.

If the charity continues to trade, but they just want to bury their heads in the sand on this issue. If they choose not to defend themselves on here, they will undoubtedly hurt themselves even more.

There is a common misconception here, & I'm not sure it's widely realised.

This thread is entitled "P4C", & Tank refers to "the charity".

P4C is NOT a charity. Nor is it a Limited Company. It is simply a trading name, & as such, it is not subject to the strictures of Company Law, or the Charity Commission.

Game4Life is a Registered Charity, & Game4Life Enterprises Ltd is a Limited Company, & both are obliged to (and one assumes do) comply with the relevnt authorities.

[thetank]

I gave up trying to understand that a while ago 

[tikay]

I gave up trying to understand that a while ago 

Well therein lies the root of the problem......

The entire poker community thinks Poker4Charity is a Charity. It's not.

[thetank]

So we dissing P4C isn't being anti-charity after all. 

[Dingdell]

I guess I want to know why answers haven't been given - after all if everything is ok it would be in the charitys best interests to give us information, and if hasn't got the right answers then I would also like to know.

I have worked in the city in the past and been so strictly regulated you would think the charity commission was only running a local knitting group. I understand financial issues and if there is a need for this to be reported to the appropriate body I, for one, would not hesitate.

I don't want to do that - I can't honestly believe that is needed, but I am frustrated by a charity, who has a responsibility to be honest and open with the public, and yet still continues to leave questions unanswered.

The hospital trust still hasn't received its donation?  Despite stong assurances that it would be dealt with as quickly as possible? I know we have had Christmas but it's only a couple of days for goodness sake.

This will not go away - there is too much of a smell on this forum for it just to be raindeer poo - come on P4C or whoever this charity is - give us some answers.   

[tikay]

I guess I want to know why answers haven't been given - after all if everything is ok it would be in the charitys best interests to give us information, and if hasn't got the right answers then I would also like to know.

I have worked in the city in the past and been so strictly regulated you would think the charity commission was only running a local knitting group. I understand financial issues and if there is a need for this to be reported to the appropriate body I, for one, would not hesitate.

I don't want to do that - I can't honestly believe that is needed, but I am frustrated by a charity, who has a responsibility to be honest and open with the public, and yet still continues to leave questions unanswered.

The hospital trust still hasn't received its donation?  Despite stong assurances that it would be dealt with as quickly as possible? I know we have had Christmas but it's only a couple of days for goodness sake.

This will not go away - there is too much of a smell on this forum for it just to be raindeer poo - come on P4C or whoever this charity is - give us some answers.   

All noted & agreed. We can't force them to respond on here, but by not doing so, they know how bad it looks. It's their decison. In the absence of responses, folks will draw their own conclusions. I hope they do respond, & I've encouraged Andy to do so.

I'd remind you though that P4C is NOT a Charity, & as such, not subject to Charity Commission disciplines.

[suzanne]

I have to admit I am still confused..the name poker4charity would assume that it is indeed a charity, but Tony you are saying its not?

Game4life is a registered charity which poker and various other sports contribute to. How can it not be a charity?

I am a bit dissappointed that Andy has not up till now posted the relevant information that has been asked.

Ang did her best and posted what she knew and a big thumbs up to her...Trace bless her..tried her best to defend p4c in the only way she knows how...slag everyone off LOL.

Saying that when I posted a "give them time to explain" post I was also attacked so maybe I can see her reasoning.

The way I see it is that a meeting took place before Christmas where Stacey got the money that was due to her...and that Andy would report on p4c forum all the relevant information that we all want to know.

This has not happened.

Ball is in your court Andy.

[AlrightJack]

The total raised at leg 1 of the GUKPT was £1,140. 100% of this is being donated to the Bolton Hospice. I'd like to thank everyone who donated and I hope you enjoyed your massages. The masseuses were only there on Saturday and Sunday.

We will be supporting another local good cause at leg 2 of the Tour in Walsall next month.