1 Question

[snoopy1239]

Okay, I just played this pot, and although it worked out nice, I want to find out if I did the right thing. Sometimes we often only analyse the hands we lose.

1 Question - should I have folded on the flop?



***** Hand History for Game 2739310023 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 19, 15:03:00 EDT 2005
Table Table  55023 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: snoopy1239 ( $260.45 )
Seat 5: apasara ( $114.75 )
Seat 6: WinterMag ( $12.70 )
Seat 4: MRK1979 ( $230.05 )
Seat 3: pesm11 ( $132.60 )
Seat 2: smeshp ( $63.35 )
smeshp posts small blind [$1].
pesm11 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to snoopy1239 [  ]
MRK1979 calls [$2].
apasara folds.
WinterMag folds.
snoopy1239 calls [$2].
smeshp calls [$1].
pesm11 raises [$4].
MRK1979 calls [$4].
snoopy1239 calls [$4].
smeshp calls [$4].
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
smeshp bets [$20].
pesm11 calls [$20].
MRK1979 calls [$20].
snoopy1239 calls [$20].
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
smeshp is all-In.
pesm11 raises [$74.70].
MRK1979 calls [$74.70].
snoopy1239 is all-In.
pesm11 is all-In.
MRK1979 is all-In.
** Dealing River ** [ ]
apasara: yeah
pesm11 shows [ , ] three of a kind, sixes.
MRK1979 shows [ , ] a pair of threes.
snoopy1239 shows [ , ] a straight, six to ten.
smeshp doesn't show [ , ] two pairs, eights and sixes.
snoopy1239 wins $30.40 from  side pot #3  with a straight, six to ten.
snoopy1239 wins $194.90 from  side pot #2  with a straight, six to ten.
snoopy1239 wins $207.75 from  side pot #1  with a straight, six to ten.
snoopy1239 wins $250.40 from  the main pot  with a straight, six to ten.

[Colchester Kev]

what was that plum doing in the pot with 9 3 ffs ... is this play money ??

[snoopy1239]

what was that plum doing in the pot with 9 3 ffs ... is this play money ??

hehe. Cos he's a mug. Maybe he way saying the same thing about me. 

Was that a 'yes' or a 'no' then...

 

[Coca919]

Hmm putting 20 into a pot of 100, so you're getting 4/1 on an 8.5% shot that you hit the straight on the turn.  Can't say I would make the call myself but with the EV as you're probably gonna getting paid off if you hit then it may just be justified.  So not entirely sure now I think about it.

[snoopy1239]

Yeah. It's the implied odds I was wondering about.

Just interested to know what everyone else's take on it was.

[Colchester Kev]

with three people before you in the pot, i think the call was a good one, plus you had a backdoor flush draw ...  good call in my opinion.

[snoopy1239]

I'm not too sure myself. Even if I do hit, there's still a lot of cards that can beat me on the river.

[The Baron]

Dont think it was an awful call. If the turn had brought a low diamond and the guy with trips went all in it would have been hard to pass though. Could have turned into one of those compound error jobbies. Unless you were passing on the turn without an 8?

[NoflopsHomer]

It's worth a call in a big family pot like this. I'd be unlikely to call HU though.

[jezza777]

I don't think you can call here , although its a multiway pot and you will probably get the value if you hit , there are still ways you can hit and be beaten on the river - but it is no limit so its maybe justifyable . I think you have to beware the term implied odds, it can be used as an excuse for many a   err   marginal call. Also you were last to act which meant it couldnt get bumped behind you. Hmmmmmmmm   I think its a very tight situation i wouldnt call the $20 as its too much but i think its more of a playing style choice than a math thing.

[Colchester Kev]

thats why i love this game , so many different opinions and none of them can be called the "RIGHT" one ... my way of thinking the call was a justifiable one was because he was the last to act, so he new he wasnt going to get reraised ....  given his position, i stand by my view that the call was a good one.

[rivered]

yeah tricky one.... i think you have to say that the is a dead card with two flat callers after the $20 bet... someone must be on a flush draw.  That gives you around 6.5% to hit.  you're putting 20 in to a 76 pot.  the gap between pot and hit odds imo do not justify the possible implied odds win, but that's probably just a matter of style of play.  it clearly paid off this time!!  definitely only callable in last position tho, and 3 others in the pot is also prob the minimum, so it is a borderline decision even for a loose player.
think the guy who hit trips shoulda raised it up tho, with two players behind him, he's letting them in if they're on a draw....

[redsimon]

Anyone hate the guy with trip play on the flop. Was he just greedy or too passive?

[dan]

i wouldnt call, like riverd said you have 3 outs because the one 8 is more than likely dead. somebody could also be holding 78 and drawing to an up and down straight so that could take another 1 of your outs away.
i folded 2 gutshots at walsall on sunday snoop and they both hit(i always say i play to tight live ) and that was in the rebuy period

[dan]

i have just read the hand history again and noticed another player was holding 68 so you were drawing to 2 outs