whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker

[tikay]

but nobody is contesting my points- MAYBE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRU 

Well, with respect, if the guy has been busted by a suckout, one can hoot & holler & table-bang all night & it ain't gonna affect his game now.....so how does that square with your logic? Is it still OK to do it - 'cos they do, believe me, they do.

Thats very tru tk but my argument is more centred around during the game. The suckout does not sprecifically have to apply to a kockout hand, it just has to apply to one that could potentially turn the game around for each of the players. With the playing suffering surely it makes sense to keep on at him to force him to possibly give you the rest of their chips.

p.s I dont know why im defending it so much. I am a player who is about as opposite as you can get from them!

 It is when a guy has been busted by a suckout that I really loathe the hollerers.

And I KNOW you don't do it. You are an APAT man......

PS - How's the good Lady? Missing me, I suppose?

[KingPoker]

King,

Not everybody views the game in that way though.

The game isn't "who can insult the other player the most to put them on tilt", although some people try to employ that weapon.

You can tilt someone up just fine and still lose. You can try and tilt them up and actually make them more determined to beat you.

There are very few competitive endeavours where this kind of behaviour is acceptable; tennis players don't generally go high-fiving the crowd when they get a lucky net-court, for example. Actually, quite the opposite - they usually hold their hand up to acknowledge the fact that they got lucky and 'didn't deserve' the point. Similarly, when a player mis-tosses the tennis ball and has to abort a serve halfway through, there is usually a tacit apology for that as well, as their opponent has probably been put off guard by it.

Yet tennis still has a huge psychological component to it, look at a player like Marat Safin as an example of someone who is technically gifted but who arguably has underachieved as a player because of his (lack of) mental composure.

If this kind of behaviour - over-celebrating a single lucky hand - were eliminated from poker, I reckon it would go some way to giving tournament poker more "sporting" credibility than it currently has.

yes true but the trouble tennis unlike poker has physical factors which can be applied.
If you get a lucky net court its not just luck, your physial attributes can be said to have added to it.
There is now concise way of putting a % on hitting a lucky net but there is on hitting a x amount of cards. Poker losses can not be put down not putting enough backspin or forehand into a shot. In tennis it is still possible to win through maintaining your physical skills. But in poker it is all behavioural. If you cant focus you wont win!

[RED-DOG]

PS - How's the good Lady? Missing me, I suppose?

One day I will explain to you the subtle difference between "Missing" and "Avoiding"

[AndrewT]

The suckout does not sprecifically have to apply to a kockout hand,

Which is exactly the type of hand I'd expect a boak to have.

This goes back to the big post  made earlier where it is more likely to have an effect on a novice who isnt used to it. Like i said in the big one i know for a fact a pro wouldnt allow i to effect them

Shouting and hollering is also just as likely to have a negative effect on an opponent at Wimbledon, or in snooker. But if you did, you'd get penalised for it. Why?

Is it to protect the fragile temperment of your opponent?

Is it to ensure that the game is played on a level a playing field as possible?

Or is it that over-the-top celebrations make you look like a boak and no sport's governing body wants their sport full of boaks.

[KingPoker]

It is when a guy has been busted by a suckout that I really loathe the hollerers.

And I KNOW you don't do it. You are an APAT man......

PS - How's the good Lady? Missing me, I suppose?

Yeh she's missin you. Hopefully if we get in for the welsh one u will see her again. FROM A DISTANCE THOUGH

[tikay]

I like this "boak" stuff, it's caught on already. I'll try it out at Luton.

[I, Zimbra]

But in poker it is all behavioural. If you cant focus you wont win!

The natural extrapolation of this behaviour: each hand will take half an hour just for the players to get through the insults, moodies and the pissing contests, people will forget there's actually cards to be looked at and chips to be moved... eventually once everyone has indulged in this 'psychological warfare', they will groundskin to the big blind who will go and high five the rail... "Yeah Baby! I won the small blind, coz they're too ALL TOO SCARED TO MESS WITH ME! YEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!"

[tikay]

PS - How's the good Lady? Missing me, I suppose?

One day I will explain to you the subtle difference between "Missing" and "Avoiding"

Well her fella say's she's missing me. It's understandable.

[Chili]

The suckout does not specifically have to apply to a knockout hand,

Which is exactly the type of hand I'd expect a boak to have.

This goes back to the big post  made earlier where it is more likely to have an effect on a novice who isnt used to it. Like i said in the big one i know for a fact a pro wouldnt allow i to effect them

Shouting and hollering is also just as likely to have a negative effect on an opponent at Wimbledon, or in snooker. But if you did, you'd get penalised for it. Why?

Is it to protect the fragile temperment of your opponent?

Is it to ensure that the game is played on a level a playing field as possible?

Or is it that over-the-top celebrations make you look like a boak and no sport's governing body wants their sport full of boaks.

 

And the post of the year award goes to AndrewT (again) for excellent incorporation of the acronym of the year BOAK

[KingPoker]

The suckout does not sprecifically have to apply to a kockout hand,

Which is exactly the type of hand I'd expect a boak to have.

This goes back to the big post  made earlier where it is more likely to have an effect on a novice who isnt used to it. Like i said in the big one i know for a fact a pro wouldnt allow i to effect them

Shouting and hollering is also just as likely to have a negative effect on an opponent at Wimbledon, or in snooker. But if you did, you'd get penalised for it. Why?

Is it to protect the fragile temperment of your opponent?

Is it to ensure that the game is played on a level a playing field as possible?

Or is it that over-the-top celebrations make you look like a boak and no sport's governing body wants their sport full of boaks.

Every sport has their over the top celebreties- EVERY SPORT!! They just wont be controlled. Im not justifying why they do it im just it DOES have an effect. And if you cant take it you should play! I dont doubt it makes them look like the biggest C**TS i the world. I just feel that unlike a football match the referree cant watch very table so it comes down to the dealer and he should have the right to interpret if it is personal abuse or banter! Onb the self dealt tables it muct come down to the players on the table. But in evry single sport there are things that go on that the majority of people dont agree with but it does undoubtedly give that player/team edge.

[KingPoker]

But in poker it is all behavioural. If you cant focus you wont win!

The natural extrapolation of this behaviour: each hand will take half an hour just for the players to get through the insults, moodies and the pissing contests, people will forget there's actually cards to be looked at and chips to be moved... eventually once everyone has indulged in this 'psychological warfare', they will groundskin to the big blind who will go and high five the rail... "Yeah Baby! I won the small blind, coz they're too ALL TOO SCARED TO MESS WITH ME! YEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!"

You are being a little bit OTT there.
Surely you can realise that you only have to affect ONE player at you table to give you a massive advantage!!!!

[I, Zimbra]

This kind of behaviour though, isn't "just a few boaks who whoop and holler".

It is becoming dangerously widespread.

As for OTT? The WSOP Main Event this year seemed from the ESPN coverage I saw, to be non-stop whoopage, hollerage and highfiveage - and I aint convinced it's a good thing.

[KingPoker]

That my friend tho is the US. All gung ho, bravado. They are too thick to realise they are making fools of themselves!

[tikay]

This kind of behaviour though, isn't "just a few boaks who whoop and holler".

It is becoming dangerously widespread.

As for OTT? The WSOP Main Event this year seemed from the ESPN coverage I saw, to be non-stop whoopage, hollerage and highfiveage - and I aint convinced it's a good thing.

Sadly, it's the "norm" in America, it's deemed to be quite acceptable, but that's their problem.

[AndrewT]

Every sport has their over the top celebreties- EVERY SPORT!! They just wont be controlled. Im not justifying why they do it im just it DOES have an effect. And if you cant take it you should play! I dont doubt it makes them look like the biggest C**TS i the world. I just feel that unlike a football match the referree cant watch very table so it comes down to the dealer and he should have the right to interpret if it is personal abuse or banter! Onb the self dealt tables it muct come down to the players on the table. But in evry single sport there are things that go on that the majority of people dont agree with but it does undoubtedly give that player/team edge.

Whilst some of us may not think highly of boaking, I don't think anyone is advocating banning it or calling for dealers or TDs to take action against boakers.

Speech play and moodies are a different thing, and a different thread.