Sportsmanship gone wrong.......?

[bobby1]

I play the game to a certain personal "code". Most of it is obvious..win well, lose well etc etc

No whooping and hollering!

Last night my desire to do so backfired I think

Its a Luton festival satellite, one hand before the end of the rebuy period and I am in the BB with Q5 and 8,000 chips. With ten seats on offer and 40 left this is comfortable enough

On the button is Cupcake, a good friend of mine and many of yours, with one green 1,000 chip and he throws it in silently when passed to him on the button

A third player insists this goes as a call (correct rule in this venue) and it does so, with no complaint from Cupcake

SB completes, I check

flop Q x x

SB checks, I check mentally not really playing the hand (unforgivable but true) and Cupcake sticks the last 900 in, having as it turns out no part of it

I fold. Show him the Q and say something to the effect of "I wouldn't have called pre-flop, I am not going to take advantage of a genuine error now"

No one complains, Cupcake thanks me and compliments me later, off-table, for the fold .

I wasn't soft-playing him, I would have passed to any player who I knew had made a genuine mistake there. Knowing Cupcake well, I knew he made an honest mistake. Perhaps it might best be described as I would have soft-played anyone there. Maybe it wasn't soft-playing and was merely sportsmanship. My head has been turning with this stuff for 16 hours now!!

However later I knew I had got it wrong...I should have been playing to win every chip regardless of whoever made an error, and a third party on the table would have had every right to have complained, my having shown the Queen. I think.

Perhaps my judgement now is influenced by the fact I bubbled, not unusually, but I would be interested in your thoughts

 

I think you should call and if you don't call I am 100% certain that you should not show your cards to the table.

Cupcake knows that if he made a mistake and didnt make the correct raise then that is nobody elses fault but his and if the sb for instance had the queen Cuppy would expect a call every time with top pair to that all in bet.

If I was on that table and someone in your spot was a complete stranger and had passed and shown the queen when a friend of his had made the mistake I would be very unhappy. I know what you are saying about a genuine attempt to give a player a break but I dont think that is the right thing to do here.


By doing so in your home casino amongst players that you know well is one thing,but I don't think you would have done the same in a different casino on a table of unknowns to a stranger,  not because you have different morals but because the table would have righlty complained.


I would call here every time irrespective of the opponent.

[kinboshi]

I wouldn't worry about it.  Showing the Q was the mistake really.  Just mucking and forgetting about it would have been the simplest course of action.

[Cupcake]

Hi all,

 Where do i start ?, Well first of all i would like to thank Richard for his kind gesture at the table, it was a really nice touch irrespective of any ruling. I would however like to point out that at this venue i was 100% in the wrong and was an obvious mistake on my behalf. Due mainly to the fact that the blinds were at 50/100 and with only 850 the hand before i had made some speech play along the lines of ......"Well guy's , I'm afraid its the time of the night were i have to stick it all in with any two cards" . Rubbish to this effect, coming to the end of a re-buy i wasn't in good shape and obviously just stealing the blinds with any 2 cards. ( with the rubbish i was doing it with i wasn't going to be dominated...lol).
My point being i just plane forgot to say ALL -IN as i usually would as i always declare my bets verbally when playing poker.
However i would like to heap a little more praise on our said HERO .........Richard new what i was doing before any of my silly speech play in previous hands and I knew that he knew he was laying down the 100 % best hand !!!.
I'm genuinely sorry that you didn't get you're seat Richard......However  please don't be too hard on yourself as i think you were also subconsciously trying to help out a friend and i thank for that and it wont be forgotten.


John.

[KingPoker]

 

really nice post. i cant think of a single mate of mine who would have done the same!

[MrsLime]

please don't be too hard on yourself as i think you were also subconsciously trying to help out a friend

um, that is the exact reason he is being hard on himself

in this situation, whether he is your friend or not should be irrelevant

unfortunately, i think you just accused your friend of cheating at poker

oops!

[Cupcake]

No , i didn't just accuse my friend of cheating on a public forum with a load of complete strangers who wasn't there !!!.
If i wanted to do that i would have done it to his face.
I play poker just for fun and i really don't take it as seriously as most people.

In actual fact i rate Richard very highly and he's a much better player than I'll ever be !!!. It just so happens he's a truly nice guy who doesn't try to win at poker at all cost's and i personally admire that.



John.

[londonpokergirl]

You should always play for 1st regardless of who is on your table or who you have swopped a percentage with.

Knowing John, if all he had left was a 1000 chip and its end of rebuys then he would have wanted to double up or take a double rebuy/top up

To fold top pair when you have 8000 chips left is mad

I pulled 2 sheffield players up for similar thing the other day, needless to say i bubbled too but I felt better for speaking out

[action man]

i think that i would have called on the flop because

a) its in the rebuy stage and cupcake always has the option of a reby and add-on

b) its a sattelitte - even if a seat is won there is no guarantee of a draw

c) cupcake would be the 1st to admit he made the error, and afterall poker is all about taking advantage of other players mistakes

[dan]

1 fact that nobody has yet to mention is that cupcake is a real fish imho, on top of that he is a lucky fish and if he had had Kx in his hand he would of probably sucked out on you richard so it was a good fold.

[bobby1]

I think you are a good judge sir ;o)

Now when are we coming to your manor for a game?

[portfolio]

please don't be too hard on yourself as i think you were also subconsciously trying to help out a friend

um, that is the exact reason he is being hard on himself

in this situation, whether he is your friend or not should be irrelevant

unfortunately, i think you just accused your friend of cheating at poker

oops!

 

[JungleCat03]

You should have called Tighty, but I think the fact that you're beating yourself up over what is a relatively small example of possible softplaying shows what a top banana you are.

Like everyone says give yourself a break ( and put a decent NFL tip in the sports section please!)

[dan]

please don't be too hard on yourself as i think you were also subconsciously trying to help out a friend

um, that is the exact reason he is being hard on himself

in this situation, whether he is your friend or not should be irrelevant

unfortunately, i think you just accused your friend of cheating at poker

oops!

 

why is it a good post? have you not got thoughts of your own.

i think the word cheating is very harsh. it was the last hand of the re-buy period it was not as if it was a final table and cupcake moved up the money places if cupcake loses the hand he re-buys if Richard loses the hand he has 7000 chips..

i cant see how anybody can call Richard or john cheats, surely cheating is premeditated, if you cheat dont you get something out of it. the fact that tight end posted about it is bugging him slightly and he feels that he has made a MISTAKE, he does not feel as though he has CHEATED.

Yes, i do think once he has hit his hand, if he thinks he is in front he should call but is top pair shit kicker an automatic call from somebody who was going to raise PF(flushy dont answer that). If you think it is please tell me what games you are playing in.

[brummieboy]

It sounds like collusion to me, i'm going to start a post on the 2+2 forum and see if I can get a sponser at the same time.

[Jim-D]

It sounds like collusion to me, i'm going to start a post on the 2+2 forum and see if I can get a sponser at the same time.

Think you'll struggle to get any body to believe you unless you have damning evidence such as.......Copied MSN chat