Is it alot more LUCK than skill........yesterdays M.E at Luton.

[booder]

Andrew don't really know who you are and really don't want too but the silly Irish guy was well chipped up, the turkish guy was betting  weak and l was intending to make a move whatever came on the turn and if l play my style of poker and am successful with it l don't intend on changing it. You are obviously a successful player with much more live experience than me so forgive my novice play.

Allow me to introduce myself then.

I'm very much an amateur player who, whilst having some success, is always wanting to learn more about how the best players play. I am fully aware of things like pot odds and implied odds, playing the player not the cards, and making moves when the situation is right. When I see hands by people with far more experience than me I like to analyse their play and see what I can learn.

On first glance, in this hand you called 2000 into a pot of 4500 against two players with four, maybe only three, outs to the low end of a straight. The player you are targeting only has 5700 more chips you can take off him. If you don't catch your nine, then it is highly likely that Mehmet will bet again, seeing as he bet into two players on the flop, one of whom was the pre-flop raiser. This will leave him with not very much back in relation to the pot size. Even if he checks to you and you make a move you've already noted that he has big trouble laying one pair down. A player who bets into a pre-flop raiser on the flop has probably hit the flop in some way, wouldn't you say, making it likely he'd call your bet?

All this analysis completely ignores the pre-flop raiser, who was also in the hand when you'd made your call, and could also have caused trouble for you.

Now you say you would make a move on the turn - my inferior analysis has suggested this was highly unlikely to work. You say you were chipped up - perhaps you could tell us how the apparant lack of edge you have in this situation is more than compensated by your chip stack?

My novice little brain is obviously not capable of thinking to a level deep enough to fully comprehend the depth of advanced play on display in this hand and, in my quest to become a better player, I ask if you would be so kind as to deign us with the wisdom you have and enlighten us as to the subtle, delicate, one might say imperceptible, thought processes you went through.

I hope we can be friends and, maybe, one day, you might permit me to teach you a couple of things about not taking every perceived slight on an internet messageboard so frigging seriously.

 

[KingPoker]

i just fail to see what move it was you made. He DOMINATED you on the flop and in my opinion it was you who sucked out!

[tantrum]

So If I have a big stack and the gut shot, I shall call the bets on the flop because I can afford it?
 

[byronkincaid]

come on guys the OP used to play 100/200 NL online. he obv knows a lot more about making advanced plays than you amateurs.

[tantrum]

We want to learn....

[Slick Kid]

Andrew your post is to technical for me mate, it will take me a few days to decipher it but l'm sure it is a good sound logical explanation of what l did wrong and what Mehmet did right. What if he was betting a draw and l hit the 8 or J l'm probably in front. Its all IF IF IF IF. I play a very strange game but l don't play an ABC game because in my mind you CANNOT win playing this way.

No Disrespect meant.

[Slick Kid]

So If I have a big stack and the gut shot, I shall call the bets on the flop because I can afford it?
 

Everyday of the week mate. Betting into a raiser on the flop doesn't mean he has hit it. See another card, your there to win, not fold like a chicken everytime somebody bets into u. Hell l was going to re-raise on the flop. Play POKER with no fear. One OBJECTIVE , to win and NO DEALS.

[tantrum]

BB checks and Mehmet bets 2000, the raiser calls and the value there and chips l call hoping for a 9, BB folds.

Sorry you did not bet - you flat called hoping for the 9- your words not mine.  Now if you miss it - knowing that he is a bit fishy - you still bet the turn? 

[marcro]

How come Flushy has not commented on this?

[tantrum]

He is busy preparing new lessons on how to beat poker with low str8 draw hands.  94/ 72/83/...../////

[MadYank]

How come Flushy has not commented on this?

Because Flushy is a Muppet(self proclaimed)

[Slick Kid]

BB checks and Mehmet bets 2000, the raiser calls and the value there and chips l call hoping for a 9, BB folds.

Sorry you did not bet - you flat called hoping for the 9- your words not mine.  Now if you miss it - knowing that he is a bit fishy - you still bet the turn? 

Yes bud, what l'm saying is that Mehmet bet into the origional raiser l called for value and a chance to eliminate him.

[Slick Kid]

How come Flushy has not commented on this?

Because Flushy is a Muppet(self proclaimed)

The GREAT WHITE ONE 

[marcro]

How come Flushy has not commented on this?

Because Flushy is a Muppet(self proclaimed)

The GREAT WHITE ONE 

lol

[Dubai]

Just another long disguised bad beat thread!