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« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2007, 09:41:48 AM »

This seems like a protocol error rather than anything malicious.

In cases where owners have intentionally mistreated and abused their dogs, punishing these people for their cruelty is right.This is a far cry from that situation though. It's a sad situation that the dog died but the nature of some of the responses suggesting retribution are ridiculous.

Update procedures so that measures are in place and punish any officers whose negligence led to this APPROPRIATELY  to ensure this doesn't happen again.
Isn't this what everyone who has posted is calling for above? In this case, it would appear to be appropriate that whoever is utimately responsible for this loses their job. I don't see that as ridiculous.

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« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2007, 09:45:07 AM »

IMO it is gross negligence and criminal proceedings should be brought upon the guilty party.

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« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2007, 09:48:09 AM »

I say ship the dog to Korea and make someone's day!
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« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2007, 09:52:55 AM »

This is sad, but not a malicious.
If anyone is to be blamed/prosecuted it should be the original owner who abandoned it.

Zebediah l will have to disagree with you m8. We do not know why this dog was a stray or the circumstances of how he was loose. As for his history that will be quickly established as the National Greyhound Racing Council have brought in new measures in the last 7 months after two very bad P.R incidents with greyhounds in the last year. The dogs Earmark (something 99% of Greyhounds have to identify) will lead to detailed record of where and what this poor animal had done. If the last registered owner just disregarded the dog or even gave it away to someone to go flapping (racing on small independant unlicensed tracks), he will be prosecuted and forbidden to own a racing greyhound for life.

The bare facts are, this animal was found healthy and locked in a holding kennel were whilst probaly thirsty would have finished his water that night if he had any. He then died a horrible, painful death which would have involved many hours of suffering. All because some Policeman was in a rush to get home or into the station for a Bacon Sarnie. This Bastard has to pay for this with his job or the highest punishment that can be handed out by the magistrate.

We have 34 of these lovely animals at the kennels. I have 3 that live in the house with me, and they make each day on this planet that much more enjoyable. They are noble, sweet, loving and obedient always wanting to please and recieve your affection. I would die for these lovely animals and when l read stories like this it almost makes me cry thinking of that dogs last moments. This is something l feel strongly about, make no mistake.


I agree that the police officer (temp they say) who didn't let anyone know about the dog what a chimp, but I refuse to believe anyone at that station would wish harm to a defenceless dog...and my opinion of the police is not high.

I am not ignorant of the greyhound world, and trust me, you must be the exception that proves the rule regarding greyhound racing.
I bought a racer about 11 years ago and 3 months later she shattered her hock.
The kennels offered to "take care of it" and give me another (not so good) dog free to keep me into greyhound ownership.
I took one look at her expecting to see a forlorn dog in pain, but when she saw me (we had built up a relationship in the 3 months as I would see her each weekend) she was up (leg in cast) and wagging her tail trying to run to me.
I said I can't let an animal like that be destroyed, so turned down the free racer and took her home.
She is quite frail now but all being well she will be 14 years old this June, and have never regretted my decision.
A few family members also have homed ex racers due to being so impressed with her, though none have been as good as her...bit of false advertising lol.

But I saw enough behind the scenes at the racetrack (that being an owner allows you to see) to know that it is not a kind animal loving industry, and I would only ever consider another dog if I had the room to re home at retirement.
Greyhounds are abused every week by their owners..murdered...abandoned etc. So why are we wanting a police officer sacked for a mistake, when so many are being starved, beaten, drowned etc by their "loving" owners.

Maybe this greyhound did had a loving owner, and I am heartily sorry for them if so. But they could just as easily have driven to a remote location and dumped it.
My point is that these are the real greyhound criminals.
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« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2007, 09:55:01 AM »

Also, in case people weren't aware, the owners who murder their greyhounds cos they're not useful any more and they can't be arsed to pay for a humane death with a vet.

They cut their ears off so they can't be traced back to them.
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« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2007, 09:56:09 AM »

Why do you use the word murder.


"The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice."
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« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2007, 09:59:49 AM »

So why are we wanting a police officer sacked for a mistake, when so many are being starved, beaten, drowned etc by their "loving" owners.



Because he is in a position of trust and authority, and has failed in his job.

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« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2007, 10:03:56 AM »

So why are we wanting a police officer sacked for a mistake, when so many are being starved, beaten, drowned etc by their "loving" owners.



Because he is in a position of trust and authority, and has failed in his job.



Well if we work on that principle we will lose about 90% of the current police force...and NHS...and civil service etc

Or do we only act when it is tabloid worthy?
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« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2007, 10:07:53 AM »

Also, in case people weren't aware, the owners who murder their greyhounds cos they're not useful any more and they can't be arsed to pay for a humane death with a vet.

They cut their ears off so they can't be traced back to them.



I can understand why animal rights activists go to extreme measures to get their point across to be honest. In cases like the one you mention, it is fairly obvious that the people guilty will get called a bad boy and slapped on the wrist if the authorities can be bothered doing anything about it. At least animal rights activists dish out a real punishment whether that be an emotional/financial punishment caused by destroying property or another punishment deemed too severe by some people.  My point is, if you are capable of doing that to a dog, then you have no human rights and should be dealt with like the majority of people feel animals should be treated, without respect.
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« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2007, 10:20:12 AM »

So why are we wanting a police officer sacked for a mistake, when so many are being starved, beaten, drowned etc by their "loving" owners.



Because he is in a position of trust and authority, and has failed in his job.



Well if we work on that principle we will lose about 90% of the current police force...and NHS...and civil service etc

Or do we only act when it is tabloid worthy?

So what do you suggest ? Let the guilty party off ?

Regardless of "tabloid worthiness" it was an act of gross negligence and as such should be punished under the terms of the police forces internal disciplinary procedure at the very least.
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« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2007, 10:36:15 AM »

His actual mistake was a one that had bigger consequences than an identical error elsewhere may have caused.
I've always felt that the punishment should fit the crime, not the consequences.
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« Reply #56 on: January 24, 2007, 10:52:11 AM »

His actual mistake was a one that had bigger consequences than an identical error elsewhere may have caused.
I've always felt that the punishment should fit the crime, not the consequences.

The crime is causing death through negligence .... so lets hope the punishment DOES fit the crime.
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« Reply #57 on: January 24, 2007, 10:59:43 AM »

His actual mistake was a one that had bigger consequences than an identical error elsewhere may have caused.
I've always felt that the punishment should fit the crime, not the consequences.

The crime is causing death through negligence .... so lets hope the punishment DOES fit the crime.

Death of a dog.

Last night I ate part of a cow. Deliberately. Knowing full well it had been killed purely so that I, and others, could eat it. If people like me didn't indulge in cow-eating, it wouldn't have been killed.

Surely that makes me worse than the copper whose actions accidentally led to the death of a dog? What punishment do you suggest for me?
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« Reply #58 on: January 24, 2007, 11:03:41 AM »

His actual mistake was a one that had bigger consequences than an identical error elsewhere may have caused.
I've always felt that the punishment should fit the crime, not the consequences.

The crime is causing death through negligence .... so lets hope the punishment DOES fit the crime.

Death of a dog.

Last night I ate part of a cow. Deliberately. Knowing full well it had been killed purely so that I, and others, could eat it. If people like me didn't indulge in cow-eating, it wouldn't have been killed.

Surely that makes me worse than the copper whose actions accidentally led to the death of a dog? What punishment do you suggest for me?

A lesson in how to avoid making daft analogies in debates Wink
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« Reply #59 on: January 24, 2007, 11:06:41 AM »

His actual mistake was a one that had bigger consequences than an identical error elsewhere may have caused.
I've always felt that the punishment should fit the crime, not the consequences.

Good post.

By not passing on the information about the dog, he has obviously failed to some extent in his duties and should get some form of punishment.

But maybe he had good reason, such as his colleagues brought in a gang of rowdy prisoners and he had to deal with all of them all at once in which case his mistake is lesser and his punishment should be slighter. Or maybe he didn't pass on the information because he is consistently negligent, in which case he should probably be sacked. The circumstances surrounding the case should define the punishment to some degree.

Saying he should be sacked because the dog died is results orientated, something we shouldn't be as poker players!

A guy decides to randomly shoot people out of his window with his sniper rifle. He shoots a man dead. The police arrive and discover the dead man had a bomb in his rucksack which he intended to explode on a packed london bus. Should the man be rewarded or receive a lesser punishment for inadvertantly saving possibly 100s of lives? Of course not.

It's an extreme example but illustrates the principle.
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