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« on: September 22, 2005, 09:07:07 AM »

Hi all,

I regard my self as a fairly decent player and have done pretty well in both live and on-line games (tourneys and cash games) recently with my bankroll growing steadily (but not as fast as I would like).

My problem is finding the energy to play a tourney after a days work (as most tourneys finish in the wee hours of the morning), and simmilarly finding the energy to and will to stay awake during the day at work (as most tourneys finish in the wee hours of the morning).

Unfortunately my bankroll isn't anywhere good enough to make the radical step towards chucking my job in to concentrate on my poker playing, so I need to stay at work for the time being, but the late nights playing cards are beginning to take their toll (I even dropped my Motorcycle this morning as I was so tired  Cry).

What do (did) you guys do to get around this problem?  Did you just put up with it until your bank roll was decent enough to allow you to stop work or work part time?  Did you take the plunge and trust your ability and quit work?  Or do you do like I am doing now and burn tha candle from both ends?

I know what I would prefer to do, but I just can't see any way around the need to work for now.

Please part with your words of wisdom.

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Steve (Pommy)
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2005, 09:08:37 AM »

P.S.

Any spelling or grammar errors (if any) are a direct result of playing Omaha at Reigate last night until (very) late.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2005, 09:10:00 AM »

Burning at both ends not condusive to a good game mate.... playing more does not always equal winning more!

Put a limit on the time you play and build your BR up to a level where it's comfortable.  Then consider going part time if possible, I'd avoid going full time if I were you.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2005, 09:12:45 AM »

The job should come first. Try to be more selective about the poker you play. Not advice I have ever adhered to myself, playing next to nothing myself at the moment due to working obsessively - feeling the need to play!
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2005, 09:18:52 AM »

It doesn't help when your job sucks big time...nothing like a bit of incentive though Grin
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2005, 09:41:04 AM »

OK, I'm not the right person to comment on this because I have chosen the "burn candle at both ends" for too long. However I am my own boss and work pressure for me is not what it was a few years ago now I've got a few quid in the bank. Nevertheless.......

However I've made a few changes recently...

only playing live twice a week on school nights unless it's a festival...let's face it you can find a decent freezeout online any night of the week at 8.30pm ish if MTTs are your thing and you save travel expenses and any other incidental costs

if I play live on a school night, not playing cash after the tournament

not drinking midweek

making sure I catch up on sleep at weekends etc so I can start the next week fresh, and so on

Generally though from my own experience I would advise that if you are going to attempt to do a full daytime job and play every night live one or both of your work or poker is going to suffer

You've got to have the discipline to be choosy....I promise you  that you will enjoy your live play a lot if you are fresh and have the anticipation of looking forward to it as it's a bit rarer for you

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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2005, 11:48:14 AM »

The job should come first. Try to be more selective about the poker you play. Not advice I have ever adhered to myself, playing next to nothing myself at the moment due to working obsessively - feeling the need to play!

Just send me the money in Neteller, save yourself some time...
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2005, 02:21:57 PM »

i'm looking for an answer to this aswell.

I find i win consistently when i first log on after work but as my tiredness grows i get worse and worse, this is particularly bad when an mtt is getting to the business end and i just can't make a good decision.

During a weeks holiday recently i played whenever i liked and wasn't tired and i was winning everything.
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2005, 02:25:09 PM »

Leave it a couple of hours when you get in....you'll be fresher at the end of the evening

say you're home at 6, MTT at 8.30pm...relax,recharge and then log on at 8.25pm.

Sort of works for me
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2005, 02:50:20 PM »

Getting some fab responses here gang, thanks for those already, keep 'em coming.

On a slightly different, but almost simmilar topic Huh?, I am on holiday for 4 weeks back home to Aus mid October to mid November, and will be taking my bankroll with me to bleed my fellow aussies dry.  I'll be much more relaxed, and can spend as much time as I like to recover from the previous night.


You will not believe how much I am looking forward to that break.
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2005, 02:51:22 PM »

Getting some fab responses here gang, thanks for those already, keep 'em coming.

On a slightly different, but almost simmilar topic Huh?, I am on holiday for 4 weeks back home to Aus mid October to mid November, and will be taking my bankroll with me to bleed my fellow aussies dry.  I'll be much more relaxed, and can spend as much time as I like to recover from the previous night.


You will not believe how much I am looking forward to that break.
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2005, 02:52:41 PM »

Okay, this is a topic that I feel I have had some experience with.

I currently consider myself to be working two jobs. I work full time during the day and then hit the poker tables at night. I am the proverbial candle burner.

At first, this was a real struggle. The late nights, fatigue, lethargy, etc, effected both my game and my work. I was irritable during the day and totally zapped at night. My job became more of an effort and my poker diminished in quality.

To combat this, I decided to make a few changes:

(i)   Play less live poker

If you play live and do well, you probably won’t be seeing beddie byes until 3-5am. Maybe even 6am if you have far to travel. Personally, I need at least an hour to wind down, otherwise I just can’t get to sleep.

If you throw into the mix petrol, smoky clothes, few games, etc, then perhaps it would be best to frequent the online tables. There’s nothing wrong with playing live, but if you have to get up at 8 the next morning, then the sleep deprivation will eventually catch up with you.

(ii)   Play less multis

Multis are very time consuming and can often drift into the early hours of the morning. They also don’t allow for too many breaks. If you’ve been working all day, come home, have your tea, and then spend 4 continuous playing a multi before going to bed, then you’re really not giving your brain enough rest.

My suggestion would be to focus on cash games and STTs. Obviously with cash you can come and go when you please and breaks aren’t dictated by a clock. Unlike multis, STTs won’t last much longer than 45 mins, therefore giving you ample time between playing to take a break.

(iii)   Get healthy

One reason why work and poker doesn’t mix too well is because the individual isn’t looking after himself. Don’t let poker take you into the early hours of the morning. Get some early nights so you can feel fresh tomorrow, both for work during the day and poker in the evening.

Do some exercise. It’s an old cliché but it really rings true with this sort of problem. ‘Healthy body, healthy mind.’ If you feel good, you’ll play good. I always play worse when I’m feeling down, angry, frustrated, etc. Put yourself in the right frame of mood by doing some exercise and feeling good about yourself.

Eat properly. Eat breakfast. Plenty of fruit. Don’t cut out meals. Don’t eat tea at an ungodly hour. Don’t let an obsession with poker control when you feed yourself. It’s very hard to cook when you’re in the middle of a comp.

(iv)   Play in moderations

When you’re working, there is often the tendency to play more than you should. People think they have less time to earn their poker wage and must do it asap. Not true. Don’t force the issue. Don’t play as soon as you get home to the time you go to bed. If you only feel like playing for an hour or two, just play for those 2 hours, no more. If you’re tired, don’t play. Take a day off. Take the early night instead and ambush the tables the next day when you feel on top of your game.

(v)   Be Patient

If work is taking up a lot of your potential poker time, then you’re just going to have to build up your bankroll gradually. Don’t play out of your comfort zone and don’t sit down with more cash than you can afford. Patience. Patience. Patience. Both within the game and in your every day life.


Briefly, this is what I do:

Work 5 days a week, full time hours. Get back around 5.30-6pm. Play online for a couple of hours. Relax. Play for an hour or 2 more. Now and then, if I feel in the mood, I’ll take on a multi or 2. Watch tv or read a poker book in between poker. Go to bed 12.30-1am.

If there is a festival, big freezout, etc I want to play, I make sure I can get leave for the day after. I don’t want to have to be going to work shattered, win or lose. I also try to target weekend live comps. The Walsall £300 2 day event for example.

I do my best , although often don’t succeed, in  eating well, exercising, going to bed before 1am, and relaxing my brain. Anything to avoid morale or energy levels from dropping.

This formula enables me to make a steady and consistent profit online, and take the odd big win live.


I have often considered chucking my job in and playing poker full-time, but it’s currently too much of a risk. You need a sizable bankroll to do this and a great deal of consistency in your game. A more realistic option is to play semi-professionally and work part-time, so if you hit a run of cold cards, you’ve at least got some sort of income to depend on. However, before you decide, carry on as planned. Play in moderations, remain patient, and see how much you earn. Then after a while, reassess your situation.


Good luck. Hope that helps.

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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2005, 02:56:59 PM »

What a superb post

says it all, very eloquently

Put this in the list of articles on the front page


Well done Snoopy!!!
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2005, 02:57:44 PM »

Huge post by snoops (longest ever on blonde?)
I have always lived by the maxim "work to live not live to work". Do whatever makes you happiest mate.
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2005, 03:08:47 PM »

Fantastic reply snoop, almost described me to a tee.

I'll be taking a lot of the input from this thread to mind.  I really appreciate the help guys.

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