Ivey the hustler?

[bobby1]

Hustling your mates for a shot or two at golf or 5 extra points at snooker or a ball at pool is one thing, in fact thats all part of the buzz of playing but in this instance it seems to be a terrible attempt to stitch up some good friends.

Forget the money for a moment, for me its more about disrespecting your friends and if Ivey cares about these guys he will hold up his hand and say sorry, they will call him a cheeky **** and then buy each other a beer.

I hope he does the decent thing coz to be honest it stinks.

[ariston]

Hustling your mates for a shot or two at golf or 5 extra points at snooker or a ball at pool is one thing, in fact thats all part of the buzz of playing but in this instance it seems to be a terrible attempt to stitch up some good friends.

Forget the money for a moment, for me its more about disrespecting your friends and if Ivey cares about these guys he will hold up his hand and say sorry, they will call him a cheeky **** and then buy each other a beer.

I hope he does the decent thing coz to be honest it stinks.

perfectly put phil and the exact sentiments most on here would feel I'm sure. How many on here would actually try and turn a friend over in this way?

[ripple11]

 Next time play for a fiver a hole and then you can argue/ laugh it off in the Pub.

[kano]

Thanks for the reply Marc, please be aware that I simply crossposted another user's post from 2+2 about the matter. I am not part of the circuit and have no knowledge of the poker world, I simply brought the topic over to this forum for a discussion.

[boldie]

Next time play for a fiver a hole and then you can argue/ laugh it off in the Pub.

to be honest, even then i wouldn't laugh about it...unless immediatly after the game my mate said "Listen Pete, I kinda screwed you over"...In fact then I'd probably pay him his 50 quid and all and just laugh about it...but to not immediatly say it means he intended to screw you over for the cash..and that's never something to laugh at in my opinion. (especially not when a mate would screw you over for as little as 50£)

[tikay]

This was a very difficult thread for me to comment upon, but now Marc has replied, I'll add a bit.

Marc is a personal friend, who's helped me enormously, is a shareholder in blonde, & is working hard as a blonde shareholder to bring the blondes good deals - watch this space for an absolute corker! But that means I can't really be objective, my comments would need to be weighed agsinst my relationship with Marc.

But I'll say this now.

Marc told me the story a while back, just in conversation really, he was in Aussie at the time & rung me about some blonde business, we chatted for a bit & this golf adventure was mentioned.

When I saw the initial Post I was staggered - Eric Sagstrom was not even on the same Continent as Marc at the time! WTF? If we can't get the names right, the whole story lacks credibility.

From then on, it was obvious there were hidden agendas at work here.

Marc's a proper bloke, a real man, & a man of his word. That was my view before, & it ain't changed.

[KingPoker]

must have been a one sided advantage as i hear Mr Cool is no putz when it comes to Golf.

I heard down the grapevine he's not far off scratch!

[SuffolkPunch]

This was a very difficult thread for me to comment upon, but now Marc has replied, I'll add a bit.

Marc is a personal friend, who's helped me enormously, is a shareholder in blonde, & is working hard as a blonde shareholder to bring the blondes good deals - watch this space for an absolute corker! But that means I can't really be objective, my comments would need to be weighed agsinst my relationship with Marc.

But I'll say this now.

Marc told me the story a while back, just in conversation really, he was in Aussie at the time & rung me about some blonde business, we chatted for a bit & this golf adventure was mentioned.

When I saw the initial Post I was staggered - Eric Sagstrom was not even on the same Continent as Marc at the time! WTF? If we can't get the names right, the whole story lacks credibility.

From then on, it was obvious there were hidden agendas at work here.

Marc's a proper bloke, a real man, & a man of his word. That was my view before, & it ain't changed.

Well said. marc's a nice guy and that 2+2 post just did not sound like him at all. Incidentally I once wrote about his golfing exploits against Ivey and joked that, because Marc was a scratch golfer, you would be wiser to take him on at squash because he'd surely be rubbish at that. Wrong! When I saw him next he told me we should have a game - he used to play for his county!

So the fella's good at poker, golf and squash. BUT I'll you what his achiles heel is - tennis, he admits to being useless at that. Fiver a set, best of three?

[The Baron]

In saying that If when we meet and we cant agree we will probably pay and sever ties. To gain an edge yes to win at all costs no thankyou. I will let you all know the outcome this April.

Says it all about the man's class IMO, if Ivey shows the same class Marc and Ram wont have to pay up.

[Tractor]

How many on here would actually try and turn a friend over in this way?

Obviously not friends, Greedy ****** more like.

[Karabiner]

Marc, who was Ivey's partner ? I'm assuming that you were playing four-ball better ball.

Obviously if the game was based on Ivey still getting ten shots from Sagstrom, this was deceitful in the extreme.

[kinboshi]

Well said. marc's a nice guy and that 2+2 post just did not sound like him at all. Incidentally I once wrote about his golfing exploits against Ivey and joked that, because Marc was a scratch golfer, you would be wiser to take him on at squash because he'd surely be rubbish at that. Wrong! When I saw him next he told me we should have a game - he used to play for his county!

With Tikay?

[snoopy1239]

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[quantify]

this is a difficult subject to understand if you are not a golfer ,  cheating at golf is the ultimate sin , let me explain what happened to a person who will obviously remain nameless who cheated at golf.

1. player , who worked in a uniform (dibble but dont tell anyone)  changed the score on his card after completing a competition, he was found out by pure chance , he was instantly suspended from the club until hearing , at the hearing he was banned for life from the golf club and all clubs in  that district , he worked with a senior memeber of the club who reported him for bringing the dibbles into disrepute, and told whilst they couldnt sack him he would remain a basic dibble for ever .  he still is 24 years on.
he had to pack up playing golf lost a lot of friends .

now this was a life changing experience for this individual i can name 2 other cases where similar problems occured once caught cheating .  it may sound petty and ridiculous  to some but the way it is viewed in the golf community is like a thief.

if ivey was playing in a saturday afternoon game with  guys for a fiver and he played of a false handicap  he wouldnt be invited to s playu again and depending on the club would probably not be welcome ever again.  i cant stress the issue of cheating enough to get it across on paper buti feel for marc and ram they have been strung out to dry and if ivey was any sort of a man he would value the ethics of the game OR LEARN THEM QUICKLY  cos that can be his only "out" of the situation.

[henrik777]

If it was an official handicap then it's cheating.

Marc has said there is always toing and froing for the strokes gained in these games therefore it isn't an official club handicap. It seems as if he went beyond the realms of haggling and lied outright to gain a huge advantage though.

The fact they have played several times before clouds the issue somewhat as they have seen him play before. Also as stated earlier why would he trounce them so bad once rather than win often ?

Sandy