Do you call?

[SupaMonkey]

Ok, low NL HU match. I've been running over my oppo but he has played back in a few spots. I have been folding to min raises in spots (Sometimes with marginals and sometimes with junk) and he seems to have something when he does min raise (but not always). He has it in his head that i'm getting lucky on my draws but really i've just been bluffing him when a nice card comes in.

Do you call here?

Hand #39177953-50 at SnG-1805p (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
Started at 29/Jan/07 09:39:41
 
     dr.dre is at seat 0 with 1735.
     SupaMonkey is at seat 1 with 1265.
     The button is at seat 0.
     
     dr.dre posts the small blind of 10.
     SupaMonkey posts the big blind of 20.

     dr.dre:  -- --
     SupaMonkey: 

Pre-flop:
 
          dr.dre calls.   SupaMonkey raises to 60.   dr.dre
          calls.   

Flop (board: ):
 
          SupaMonkey bets 80.   dr.dre raises to 160. 
          SupaMonkey calls.   

Turn (board: ):
 
          SupaMonkey bets 300.   dr.dre calls.   

River (board: ):
 
          SupaMonkey checks.   dr.dre bets 1040.

After my turn bet i should push, but i don't think there is any value in pushing now the board has paired, do you agree? What do you have him on? If my play is poor pls tell me.

[Jezebel]

Why has he got the chip lead if you jave been running all over him?

[Jezebel]

I fold btw the only hand he could have here that you are beating is 89, I personally think he has the 7 that's why he slow down a tad when turn brought a possible straight, I know he called a big bet but he didn't re raise.  When the last 7 drops and you check he knows he is ahead and value pushes.  Is he good enough to have 89 here and know he is beat and represent the 7?  Or would he just check and hope his 8 is good?

[SupaMonkey]

Why has he got the chip lead if you jave been running all over him?

I can't remember, i played 4 games with the guy (this was the 4th). By running over i just mean that i was raising a lot preflop (athough i folded 30% of my hands preflop) and i rarely limped in. So a preflop raise and CB were taking the pot down quite often (i would CB everytime i raised preflop unless he led into me, which he rarely did). Hence, i could raise oop with aces and have a disguised hand.

[SupaMonkey]

I fold btw the only hand he could have here that you are beating is 89, I personally think he has the 7 that's why he slow down a tad when turn brought a possible straight, I know he called a big bet but he didn't re raise.  When the last 7 drops and you check he knows he is ahead and value pushes.  Is he good enough to have 89 here and know he is beat and represent the 7?  Or would he just check and hope his 8 is good?

Well this is only low limit so i don't think the people think that much about what they are doing. He was quite a good player though but these sorts of players (him included) are capable of spotting a bluffing opportunity and slamming a bet in.

[doubleup]

I think betting the river, 300?, and folding to a raise is probably better than inducing a bluff.  As played I would have to call.   

[boldie]

I would have reraised the flop against SOME players. it's amazing how often they will just put their chips in when they put you on 2 high cards (AK AQ etc) and they've hit the board. This is all rather player dependent so it might not apply here as you don't want to lose this guy but he probably put you on two high cards or an ace and figures you missed it. If you were to reraise upto 300 you might lose him but odds are that he will stick you in there and then at the lower levels if he has hit the board.

I don't really like your check on the river I have to say.  The check here implies that you completely missed everything and even with a 6 I would push here against most oppo's. (If I didn't take them for a monster or thought I could convince them to lay down an over pair). You only have 700 chips left he will call with anything (even with the 6) if he thinks..and he most likely does..that you missed the board.

It's a call for me as he could have any two and I don't know him. Most lower levels players will push here with anything on the board..If he had the 7 or straight he would probably milk it.

[SupaMonkey]

Ok, thanks for the replies.

Boldie, he has seen me raise preflop oop with connectors/gappers, suited or not. Do you still i should stick a 3rd bet in on the flop.

[N_Baldo]

Don't like just flat calling oop here cos  you kinda 2nd guessing on further streets. He's obviously representing a 7, and hes played it like he has the 7. But 8-9  is a possibility for sure, I assume he checks behind river with the 6....but I don't know these "low limit players" that well, a value bet of like 500 or something makes more sense if he had Aces beat in this spot.
 Obvious hands you are losing to 4-5,7,5-9.....hands you can beat= 6-9,8-9,6-4?, any strangely played overpair. I think you lost this post by playing it poorly post flop- flop and river play is quite bad imo. Eh- if its low buy in.....call and satisfy your curiousity.

[boldie]

Ok, thanks for the replies.

Boldie, he has seen me raise preflop oop with connectors/gappers, suited or not. Do you still i should stick a 3rd bet in on the flop.

Yeah I would. Like I said you might lose your customer but if he has anything on this flop he will stick you all in8 out of ten times.

[SupaMonkey]

Thanks for the replies.

I didn't want to 3 bet on the flop for fear of losing my customer and i thought (and i did actually stop on the flop and think about this) that i could bet 300 on the turn and get the pot built so that he has to pay me off on the end. Hence the flop call and turn lead. I was pretty sure i was ahead on the flop so i thought i would be losing value by 3 betting here, especially when it is something i rarely do. I will have to try this in the future.

The reason i posted was because i insta called. Literally my hand clicked before my brain even thought about it. In the second between doing that and him turning over his cards i thought that it was a terrible call and i really shouldn't have made it. For some reason i've started doing this and i don't know if i'm using my instinct or something but i seem to get it right enough times so that i keep doing it. However, i did make a similar call 4 or 5 games earlier with an overpair when one guy hit his gutshot and pushed. So i am wondering if i'm just a fish who can't lay down an overpair or if there is something more to it.




The funny thing is he turned over  . Work that one out.

[Jezebel]

You said he was a good player

[boldie]

The reason i posted was because i insta called. Literally my hand clicked before my brain even thought about it. In the second between doing that and him turning over his cards i thought that it was a terrible call and i really shouldn't have made it. For some reason i've started doing this and i don't know if i'm using my instinct or something but i seem to get it right enough times so that i keep doing it. However, i did make a similar call 4 or 5 games earlier with an overpair when one guy hit his gutshot and pushed. So i am wondering if i'm just a fish who can't lay down an overpair or if there is something more to it.

There are two reasons why you could be insta calling. 1 is good and the other is bad and you have to figure out which one makes you click that mouse button immediatly.

The first one is instinct. If your gut tells you he has nothing or less then you it's a good call. Gut instinct in HU poker is very important in my opinion...I know some players (winning HU players) who think it's everything.

The second one is arrogance/ the "Feck it then"/ or the "Christ I played that poorly but will call anyways as I can't believe my Aces got cracked again"/ "Tilt". You can think of loads of names for this one yourself and it is by far the worst thing to do in poker. If this is the problem then you have to fix it.

I would suggest having a little think about which one of the two it is, I used to do the same especially in live games when ego comes into it..and it's a bad habit to get into.

[Royal Flush]

It seems to me you got very lucky, you played each street like you had no overall plan for the hand, which thankfully for you made it look like you had air, and so induced the push, when you check the river you should know what you are going to do already, looks like you kinda did know by then, hence the insta call, thats a good thing.

[AlexMartin]

I think betting the river, 300?, and folding to a raise is probably better than inducing a bluff.  As played I would have to call.   

 

I think its a fold if he is a good player.

But thats subjective.