What makes a club big?

[matt674]

It's almost as if they're reading this thread.

The latest rich list - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6339941.stm

1) Real Madrid: £202m
2) Barcelona: £179.1m
3) Juventus: £173.7m
4) Man Utd: £167.8m
5) AC Milan: £165m
6) Chelsea: £152.8m
7) Inter Milan: £142.8m
Bayern Munich: £141.5m
9) Arsenal: £133m
10) Liverpool: £121.7m

yeah, saw this on the news this morning - it made me chuckle!!

According to this report Manchester City were down as the 17th richest club in Europe and yet they are riddled with debt (recently over £20million was owed to just 2 people though the sale of SWP enabled some of that to be cleared) and dont even own the ground they play in.

Turnover doesn't actually mean wealth!

It also says that it records turnovers but then lists several things such as transfers which arent taken into account?!?!?!?

Its like me doing the year end accounts for my company later this month but not including any imports or exports in the figures.....

pointless table if you ask me.

[Acidmouse]

The leagues shite, that was my original point, nowt has given me the impression otherwise.

She aint logged into the fantasy team for 6months I been playing both.

Shite it may be, but we still seem to be able to beat the English clubs when we play them in Europe....

You mean Celtic and Rangers, no one else ever ever ever ever.

[Rod Paradise]

The leagues shite, that was my original point, nowt has given me the impression otherwise.

She aint logged into the fantasy team for 6months I been playing both.

Shite it may be, but we still seem to be able to beat the English clubs when we play them in Europe....

You mean Celtic and Rangers, no one else ever ever ever ever.

Makes no sense. Surely the best of the "shite" league wouldn't be able to rival the best of the super EPL?

We know we've not got a big league, but even then we are able to punch well above our weight. Read the Dundonian's post again, well one of those teams has been in a European final more recently than quite a few of the "big" teams being discussed on this thread.

[Acidmouse]

I have agreed those two clubs do well for being in a crap league. Not sure what doesnt make sense in that.

[sweet potata!]

The mighty celtic have a good record away from home in the champions league eh ? ? ?

[thetank]

You mean Celtic and Rangers, no one else ever ever ever ever.

Four evers!

Aberdeen winning the Cup Winners Cup in 1983.
Dundee Utd getting to the Semi finals of the European Cup in 1984
Hearts and Hibs are just pisch, fair point.

That's going to the early 80's, but four evers surely gives me licence to go back that far. Too many evers man!

Scotland are the 10th best league in Europe. Per capita, we rock.

[The Baron]

It's almost as if they're reading this thread.

The latest rich list - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6339941.stm

1) Real Madrid: £202m
2) Barcelona: £179.1m
3) Juventus: £173.7m
4) Man Utd: £167.8m
5) AC Milan: £165m
6) Chelsea: £152.8m
7) Inter Milan: £142.8m
Bayern Munich: £141.5m
9) Arsenal: £133m
10) Liverpool: £121.7m

yeah, saw this on the news this morning - it made me chuckle!!

According to this report Manchester City were down as the 17th richest club in Europe and yet they are riddled with debt (recently over £20million was owed to just 2 people though the sale of SWP enabled some of that to be cleared) and dont even own the ground they play in.

Turnover doesn't actually mean wealth!

It also says that it records turnovers but then lists several things such as transfers which arent taken into account?!?!?!?

Its like me doing the year end accounts for my company later this month but not including any imports or exports in the figures.....

pointless table if you ask me.

I agree.

Real Madrid were a couple of hundred million in debt a few years back. They then sold their training ground and it's land for a few hundred million and the council built them a new state of the art one for free!

Wealth indeed!

[The Baron]

The leagues shite, that was my original point, nowt has given me the impression otherwise.

She aint logged into the fantasy team for 6months I been playing both.

Shite it may be, but we still seem to be able to beat the English clubs when we play them in Europe....

You mean Celtic and Rangers, no one else ever ever ever ever.

Makes no sense. Surely the best of the "shite" league wouldn't be able to rival the best of the super EPL?

Over a season (not a two legged tie) I doubt they would, but there's no way I can prove it of course.

[Teacake]

The leagues shite, that was my original point, nowt has given me the impression otherwise.

She aint logged into the fantasy team for 6months I been playing both.

Shite it may be, but we still seem to be able to beat the English clubs when we play them in Europe....

You mean Celtic and Rangers, no one else ever ever ever ever.

Makes no sense. Surely the best of the "shite" league wouldn't be able to rival the best of the super EPL?

Over a season (not a two legged tie) I doubt they would, but there's no way I can prove it of course.

There are 40 million reasons why they would, however the SPHell IS shite, there can no argument about that!

[Nem]

Real Madrid just signed a 7 year £791million tv deal.

Barcelona have a £83million per year tv deal

Chelsea only got £30million last year

[Royal Flush]

It's almost as if they're reading this thread.

The latest rich list - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6339941.stm

1) Real Madrid: £202m
2) Barcelona: £179.1m
3) Juventus: £173.7m
4) Man Utd: £167.8m
5) AC Milan: £165m
6) Chelsea: £152.8m
7) Inter Milan: £142.8m
Bayern Munich: £141.5m
9) Arsenal: £133m
10) Liverpool: £121.7m

yeah, saw this on the news this morning - it made me chuckle!!

According to this report Manchester City were down as the 17th richest club in Europe and yet they are riddled with debt (recently over £20million was owed to just 2 people though the sale of SWP enabled some of that to be cleared) and dont even own the ground they play in.

Turnover doesn't actually mean wealth!

It also says that it records turnovers but then lists several things such as transfers which arent taken into account?!?!?!?

Its like me doing the year end accounts for my company later this month but not including any imports or exports in the figures.....

pointless table if you ask me.

If you dont do that then you would get massive fluctuations, the figures are showing the steady money streams.

[The Dundonian]

A lot of interesting comments as well as the inane drivel we get used to from some of the unenlightened.
The question was, "what makes a big club?" it's a great arguement, the points I have tried to put across are that it is very difficult to quantify! Nobody surely argues that the quality of the SPL is far far below the EPL.

 Likewise under the restrictions that Scottish football has in comparison to the Premiership with regards to TV revenue even the blindest of Celtic and Rangers supporters know they would not be able to compete over a season with the top half in England.

Because Reading, Charlton, Middlesborough  etc recieve the equivelent of a small nations gross national product from television money does not make them big clubs.

A great trivia question. Which city in the UK has had two different clubs from that city reach the semi-finals of the European Cup?
No using 365.com please!

[thetank]

Dundee?

[The Dundonian]

Bit of a give away really...lol!

[Nem]

A lot of interesting comments as well as the inane drivel we get used to from some of the unenlightened.
The question was, "what makes a big club?" it's a great arguement, the points I have tried to put across are that it is very difficult to quantify! Nobody surely argues that the quality of the SPL is far far below the EPL.

 Likewise under the restrictions that Scottish football has in comparison to the Premiership with regards to TV revenue even the blindest of Celtic and Rangers supporters know they would not be able to compete over a season with the top half in England.

Because Reading, Charlton, Middlesborough  etc recieve the equivelent of a small nations gross national product from television money does not make them big clubs.

A great trivia question. Which city in the UK has had two different clubs from that city reach the semi-finals of the European Cup?
No using 365.com please!

London has had 3