Sky Poker - "The Open" - Saturday

[RichEO]

Dan I have played on many sites for quite a long time, but they only have approx 60 tables at the start and they drop  like flies, with the featured hands taking pride of place.

It is not just these featured hands that I am quoting,Yesterday we had AA vs A9 on feature with one 9 being mucked by another player, then turn 9 and river 9 to win.You can witness plenty of exception suckouts and bad beats that are not "featured" Including my demise and as someone else stated muppet play of 3-4 o/s UTG winning.

It happens on many sites but, I have a feeling all is not quite right on this gameplay!!

Like you say it happens on a lot of sites, it happens more on here becuase the structure is so fast and it can be correct for players to move all in with anything (or just not so bad play). With this happening so often there are going to be a lot of poor hand vs good hand match ups, rather than the usualy good vs not so good, or even players having the choice of folding! Even the worst hand is going to win 10-20% of the time, so I'm not that suprised at it all really. Are you trying to say it's fixed / rigged / biased shuffling algorithms?

[Royal Flush]

lol some of you are complaining about suck outs, some of you are complaining about the quick structure.

How long till someone puts it together, i am on the edge of my seat just waiting for it to happen!

Like you say it happens on a lot of sites, it happens more on here becuase the structure is so fast and it can be correct for players to move all in with anything (or just not so bad play). With this happening so often there are going to be a lot of poor hand vs good hand match ups, rather than the usualy good vs not so good, or even players having the choice of folding! Even the worst hand is going to win 10-20% of the time, so I'm not that suprised at it all really. Are you trying to say it's fixed / rigged / biased shuffling algorithms?

yay!

[RichEO]

It's worth remembering that there is a techie in the Sky Poker Gallery whose sole job is to seek out "suckout" & "monster" hands from the entire tourney, & offer them up to the Producer. So we will always see a lot of "wow" hands. But I do personally feel we should show less "wow" hands, & more "normal" ones, but regulation hands don't make great TV, especially for Poker Newbies, to whom this Tourney is aimed, & I can't argue with that logic.

I said something pretty similar in the last thread. I'd prefer to follow a pro, or a table for string of hands so you can see the various styles and moves. This would predominantly be normal hands. But to do this properly I think it does need a slower structure, there are so many all ins that you can't help but have wow hands pretty much every other! Most of the hands they are showing at the moment have little interest to me, there is little play or decisions to be made. Also some of them are pretty boring, it seems to take an age for them to get through what is a straight forward hand (not all of them! But i'd say a good third i'm thinking 'couldn't they find a better hand' or 'why are they still on this hand, they could have done 3 by now'). Don't mena to put a dampner on the show, probably appeals better to beginners.

I think I'll email a question in about chip management and blinds, just to give you time to prepare an answer

Break a leg.

[RichEO]

lol some of you are complaining about suck outs, some of you are complaining about the quick structure.

How long till someone puts it together, i am on the edge of my seat just waiting for it to happen!

Like you say it happens on a lot of sites, it happens more on here becuase the structure is so fast and it can be correct for players to move all in with anything (or just not so bad play). With this happening so often there are going to be a lot of poor hand vs good hand match ups, rather than the usualy good vs not so good, or even players having the choice of folding! Even the worst hand is going to win 10-20% of the time, so I'm not that suprised at it all really. Are you trying to say it's fixed / rigged / biased shuffling algorithms?

yay!

Now you can sit comfortably.

[Eck]

It's worth remembering that there is a techie in the Sky Poker Gallery whose sole job is to seek out "suckout" & "monster" hands from the entire tourney, & offer them up to the Producer. So we will always see a lot of "wow" hands. But I do personally feel we should show less "wow" hands, & more "normal" ones, but regulation hands don't make great TV, especially for Poker Newbies, to whom this Tourney is aimed, & I can't argue with that logic.

I said something pretty similar in the last thread. I'd prefer to follow a pro, or a table for string of hands so you can see the various styles and moves. This would predominantly be normal hands. But to do this properly I think it does need a slower structure, there are so many all ins that you can't help but have wow hands pretty much every other! Most of the hands they are showing at the moment have little interest to me, there is little play or decisions to be made. Also some of them are pretty boring, it seems to take an age for them to get through what is a straight forward hand (not all of them! But i'd say a good third i'm thinking 'couldn't they find a better hand' or 'why are they still on this hand, they could have done 3 by now'). Don't mena to put a dampner on the show, probably appeals better to beginners.

I think I'll email a question in about chip management and blinds, just to give you time to prepare an answer

Break a leg.

wasn't this answered by the "suit" by saying there target market was newbie's and if you want that kind of viewing you can get it on PNL surely?

[tikay]

It's worth remembering that there is a techie in the Sky Poker Gallery whose sole job is to seek out "suckout" & "monster" hands from the entire tourney, & offer them up to the Producer. So we will always see a lot of "wow" hands. But I do personally feel we should show less "wow" hands, & more "normal" ones, but regulation hands don't make great TV, especially for Poker Newbies, to whom this Tourney is aimed, & I can't argue with that logic.

I said something pretty similar in the last thread. I'd prefer to follow a pro, or a table for string of hands so you can see the various styles and moves. This would predominantly be normal hands. But to do this properly I think it does need a slower structure, there are so many all ins that you can't help but have wow hands pretty much every other! Most of the hands they are showing at the moment have little interest to me, there is little play or decisions to be made. Also some of them are pretty boring, it seems to take an age for them to get through what is a straight forward hand (not all of them! But i'd say a good third i'm thinking 'couldn't they find a better hand' or 'why are they still on this hand, they could have done 3 by now'). Don't mena to put a dampner on the show, probably appeals better to beginners.

I think I'll email a question in about chip management and blinds, just to give you time to prepare an answer

Break a leg.

wasn't this answered by the "suit" by saying there target market was newbie's and if you want that kind of viewing you can get it on PNL surely?

Pretty much, though I dont recall if he mentoned PNL. PNL does a fine job, by the way, & both shows can co-exist comfortably.

[KingPoker]

Im not too sure bout that. Sky dont take too well to competition!

[tikay]

Im not too sure bout that. Sky dont take too well to competition!

It's official, trust me, Sky Poker aims at a wholly different market to PNL, & the more channels of this nature that populate the 800's on the Sky Platform, the better. Some Presenters & Experts may even work for both shows.

[KingPoker]

By different markets u mean......?

just interested to know, not being awkward.

[Eck]

Im not too sure bout that. Sky dont take too well to competition!

they won't mind the competition too much that will be paying platform fees i suppose  

[tikay]

By different markets u mean......?

just interested to know, not being awkward.

Different markets = different types of Clients.

[KingPoker]

but i am still confused

(insert joke about me being welsh!)

Surely they both centre around new/fairly new players with similar buy ins, offering advive from professional players.

[Eck]

but i am still confused

(insert joke about me being welsh!)

Surely they both centre around new/fairly new players with similar buy ins, offering advive from professional players.

 just my point of view. PNL showing sessions of MTT or cash tables allows 'players' to see the styles of play that RIchEO alluded to where this shows the "fun" side i.e huge suckouts.

[RichEO]

Pretty much, though I dont recall if he mentoned PNL. PNL does a fine job, by the way, & both shows can co-exist comfortably.

Are you going to star on PNL anymore? I think Simon Trumper is on PNL tomorrow the same time your on the Open.

[RichEO]

but i am still confused

(insert joke about me being welsh!)

Surely they both centre around new/fairly new players with similar buy ins, offering advive from professional players.

Some of the PNL shows are quite advanced. They have specific beginner and expert nights too. There is a lot more advice on PNL, the open is more just showing you the action IMO, pretty much just describing the hand, rahter than any advice (a few emails answered I suppose!).

And the open has just started. I'm sure it will be completely (or a lot) different in a few months.