Walsall £300 Frezeout Tonight - Chip Update at First Break

[Royal Flush]

Question is what sort of fish pushes in on a QQT flop with AA first to speak?

[M POWER]

Any Ideas whats happening today at Walsall £300



Regards

M

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Yup, mini-update in 30 seconds M Power.

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Lucy Rokach 60,000

Phil Peters 70,000

Karabiner 60,000

Lawrence Gosney 80,000 - probably chip leader.

There are 21 left, 20 get paid.

Karabiner just had a bit of bad luck, big pot, his  ah ks  v ac    , board paired twice, split pot!

More news in a moment......

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Karabiner tells me the comp is on an unscheduled break right now due to a prolonged & "messy" dispute/ruling.

No doubt the details will emerge later, but on a board summat like  ks kh kd the pot was awarded to the wrong guy, then the cards wre mucked. Everyone knows the pot went to the wrong person, and it's the "cards speak" issue. Lucy - NOT involved in the hand - is arguing strongly on the basis of "cards speak".

By the way, Lucy & Mr Gosney, both chipped up, are on the same table. There may be troubles, ahead.........

[RED-DOG]

Had the same dispute last night, flush v full house, pot awarded to flush, cards mucked, decision stood

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That's EXACTLY the problem right now as I understand it Red.

Cards speak v cards mucked = dead..

[RED-DOG]

IMHO dealers should highlight winning hand by pushing three cards up from the board

This underlines what we were saying about casinos fielding dealers before they have had enough training

[snoopy1239]

Not sure if this is the one that RED-DOG is referring to, but I also recall a disturbance with a full house v flush hand.

One guy all-in with flush draw. The other lad had 2 pair. River is an . Gives the all-in player a flush, but the caller a full house.

He declares he has a full house. The dealer pushes the chips towards the flush man.

3 or 4 players then shout out 'no. full house'. The dealer appears to ignore them and decides to muck all the cards and start shuffling for the next hand.

The guy with the full house is dumbfounded and asks for a ruling. Lucy gives the 'cards speak' line.

Card room manager comes over and rules that the guy with the flush should get the pot because the cards have been mucked.

The dealer remians silent. So does the player who held the losing hand.

Bizarrely  the player with the full house doesn't accept the ruling and complains further. A few other players back him up.

Then, after talking with Dani, the cardroom manager changes his minds and gives the pot to the full house.

[ifm]

oh dear, he changed his mind and gave it to the other fella.
That IS a big problem, if they start reversing decisions they are asking for arguments.
The rule at walsall is that once they are mucked that's it, simple even if it is unfair.

[RED-DOG]

What good is a rule thats unfair? even if it is simple, why not just give the pot to the biggest bloke?

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OMG, I was in a bad mood. Now I'm laughing. Stop it Red.

[snoopy1239]

What good is a rule thats unfair? even if it is simple, why not just give the pot to the biggest bloke?

cos I'd never win. 

[ifm]

the point was if they start reversing decisions there will quickly be arguments over every decision, you have to any decision is final or anarchy will rule.
There is no point tring to say that it's better this way because even if it is it doesn't apply

[dik9]

Although I don't agree with changing your mind half way through an arguement, if an additional fact had come to light (and i don't know the circumstances) in the interest and spirit of the game sometimes we do reverse our own rulings. Even though I don't see eye to eye with Dani, he would have been put in a position to make a decision. Whichever route he takes in this situation, he would have listened to both sides and made his own judgement (rightly Or wrongly) But his judgement stands. The last rule of any card room is.....The decision of the management is Final.