Just been watching The Open on Sky Poker - LOL what a load of .......

[LPM Champ]

ok smart**** yes i said both were clueless but gould is just the presenter, the expert should know a bit more.

[Royal Flush]

I think just saying it is aimed at beginners does not excuse them from not knowing the rules of the game, its not hard to find people who do know the rules.

[ericstoner]

Chilli was good though, and she won a s&g..................................Bless

[Dingdell]

It looks to me as if they are reading the cards backwards - are they? That would explain a bit of hesitation on their parts?

[kinboshi]

The presenter was actually pretty good - he made some decent gags as well - but wasn't helped too much by the 'expert' who seemed a bit like a rabbit in headlights.  Obviously, not everyone can be the consummate professional like Tikay...

Tonight will be repulsive compulsive viewing though.  Helen Chamberlain is quality, Tikay is....Tikay, and Kev will be the cherry on the icing of the pie cake.

[tikay]

It looks to me as if they are reading the cards backwards - are they? That would explain a bit of hesitation on their parts?

Very tricky to explain that, Tracey. The "table" is "beamed" onto the studio floor, like what is known as, I believe, a "heads-up display". For technical reasons, it's beamed "the wrong way round", but that means when the Presenter & Expert look at it, it appears to be the right way round. On second thoughts, it's too difficult to explain! I hear what you all say about last night's expert, but technically, it's a very challenging show to work on. The Expert has a "clicker" too, to move the action on, & that makes life even more complicated. I will try & write up an article abouot how it all works, & it'll make it easier to understand the odd gaffe that gets made.

The Studio is something to behold, 4 cameras whizzing around, a state of the art tracking system in the ceiling, working in tandem with each camera, it's mighty impresive stuff.

And entirely green - walls, floors, everything, is bright green. Green!

[kinboshi]

And entirely green - walls, floors, everything, is bright green. Green!

Sets your skin tone off perfectly...

[tikay]

And entirely green - walls, floors, everything, is bright green. Green!

Sets your skin tone off perfectly...

You, Tamworth Boy, are pushing it. Bet you get a tough table in Cardioff this weekend. I'll damn well make sure you do.

[The_nun]

What is on in cardiff this weekend

[KingPoker]

It was so funny in newcy. Me and the missus travelled up for the wknd but my mate also played and came up seperately. I met him just before the start and laughed how funny would it be out of 210 runners if we had come up here and were sat next to each other. Guess what happened!! Well there was someone in between us but it was only ironside!!!

[Claw75]

I think the fact that this show is aimed primarily at beginners makes it all the more important that incorrect information is not given out, as it will be taken as fact by people learning to play the game.

I was watching one of the repeats the other night when Norman Pace was on.  He commented that a guy holding suited cards who had flopped a flush draw was 4/1 to make his flush.  He said that he shouldn't have called a post-flop bet from his opponent, as he was only getting 3/1 for his money.  The turn didn't help, and he again said, 'he's 4/1 to make his flush'.  The presenter said that he presumed the odds on hitting the flush were longer now as there was only one card left (don't know if he was trying to help Norman out of a hole without directly correcting him), and Norman said 'no, it's still 4/1'.

Everyone makes mistakes, that's human, but on what is apparently supposed to be an informative poker show aimed at beginners, it would be nice to see mistakes pointed out (someone in the gallery having a word in the ear perhaps?) so that they can be immediately corrected.

I have a question as well which I emailed in the other day but didn't get answered.  When we see players' profiles it shows us the number of flops seen and the number of pots won.  The presenters/commentators present this as number of pots won from the number of flops seen (eg wow he's seen 80 flops and one 60 of those pots) - I'd be interested to know if the pots won figure includes pots won pre-flop.

Dilemma tonight with Kev being on as it clashes with Life on Mars and my Sky+ is playing up.  Drama or comedy??

[kinboshi]

Go for the tragi-comedy that is Kev.

[kinboshi]

And entirely green - walls, floors, everything, is bright green. Green!

Sets your skin tone off perfectly...

You, Tamworth Boy, are pushing it. Bet you get a tough table in Cardioff this weekend. I'll damn well make sure you do.

Thanks Tikay, much appreciated.  It'll keep me focused and honest early doors.

[Sheriff Fatman]

Assuming all his flush outs are clean, the odds on the flop of hitting the flush on the turn are 9/47 = 19.1% ~ 4:1

The odds on the turn of hitting on the river are 9/46 = 19.6% ~ 4:1.

I didn't see the programme you're referring to but I'm guessing this is what he was saying, so I'm not sure what the mistake you're trying to point out is with regard to the odds.  

However, his analysis does completely ignore implied odds so I don't necessarily agree with his reasoning about not calling.

Also, if all the money had gone in on the flop and the player was guaranteed to see both the turn and river cards, then the relevant odds of him making his flush would be closer to 2:1, as he can hit on either the turn or river.

[Claw75]

yep 4/1 to hit the flush on the turn, and 4/1 to hit on the river, but they way it was presented in this particular show that he had odds of only 4/1 to hit the flush at any point after the flop.