What % of online players......

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sneaky

[tikay]

Congrats to Div for the sneak spam!!

Although i thank you for the stats.

For those that didnt notice there is a hyperlink in the text to pokertracke equiped with an affiliate code.

Can someone explain to me, in plain English, what this means?

[Div]

Congrats to Div for the sneak spam!!

Although i thank you for the stats.

For those that didnt notice there is a hyperlink in the text to pokertracke equiped with an affiliate code.

To be frank Royal Flush, I don't see the problem.

If someone reads my (constructive, I think) post and doesn't have any interest in the application, they won't click the link. If they are interested, and do click the link, and decide to buy, I get a percentage of the price they pay. It doesn't cost them any more.

Of course, I didn't have to actually include a link to Poker Tracker, but if I didn't what are the odds someone comes along later on the thread and says 'Where do I find out more about Poker Tracker?' Cue another wasted post (much like this one), saying 'You can find out more about it at...'

However, since you are so touchy about this.....

IF anyone is intested in buying Poker Tracker and has a great objection to people making money from affiliate fees, you can click here to find out about Poker Tracker without running the risk of helping a fellow player out, if you don't mind people using affiliate links, you can click here.

I bought Poker Tracker a while ago, before they introduced an affiliate scheme, and it disappointed me that there wasn't one in place to help me reward the guy who recommended the software to me via his website.

Personally whenever I need to buy something online, I try to buy it through an affiliate link, since I'd rather see a small cut of the fee go to someone other than 'the man'.

Similarly when I sign up to a new poker site I always do it through an affiliate link from a site I like, for the same reason. Part of my rake goes to someone I like, and not to a faceless billionaire.

[Royal Flush]

Its when you put a link to a website in the text, as he has done with the word 'poker tracker' also if you hold your mouse over the word u will see at the bottom of your browser what the link is, in this case its pokertracker.com/afilxxxx in other words an affiliate code.


Div, i didnt say there was anything wrong with it, its just common practice to ask Tikay before you put up an affiliate link.

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Really don't think he meant any harm, I certainly didn't

Just pulling your leg, sorry

[Royal Flush]

neither do i, i just remember the way the hendon mob forum went. Everey day you would get multiple posts with affil links stuck in the text, i just dont want to see this place go the same way.

Not saying thats why Div is doing, infact i believe he is trying to help. And i also rate poker tracker.

[RED-DOG]

Really don't think he meant any harm, I certainly didn't

Just pulling your leg, sorry

I meant you, lol

[Div]

I've already PMed Tikay and apologised for any offence caused, so let's have a virtual handshake and move on!

Just to get back to the original question, with the info to hand, it's possible to pick your table very carefully at the big sites i.e. Party Poker, PokerStars, etc.

We know from the info I've got that at $3/6 limit, roughly one third of players win, and two thirds lose. So, if you are settling down to start a new session, and can see table 1 has 60% winners, 40% losers, and table 2 has 10% winners, 90% losers, which waiting list are you going to join!

You can use a FREE (so no affiliate fees  plug-in called PokerAceHUD or Gametime+  to overlay the screen with the stats, so there's not even the hassle of having to root around the database. Example below:

Click to see full-size image.

[Royal Flush]

wow i not seen that plugin before!!

Does poker tracker still only work for holdem?

[Div]

There's a version for Omaha now.

That is an old screenshot I showed to my mates using Gametime+

I'd actually recommend PokerAceHUD now. Check this out:

Click to see full-size image.

This is a screen grab from a session on Empire Poker that I was tracking using Poker Tracker and a tool called Poker Ace HUD.

The stats for each player show things like percentage of hands they play, how often they raise.

The interesting this is that you can see three sets of cards. At showdown the two guys with aces auto-mucked, as they lost to a straight which the guy with 8s9s hit.

But the hand history is written to a file which this software reads. It sees the mucked cards and flashes them up on screen for a few seconds. So you can instantly see what the other guys were playing! INFORMATION!!

[RED-DOG]

I would love to use some of these devices, but the simplest technology baffles me

The first time I used an egg timer, I put it in with the eggs

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Well, there ARE lies, damned lies and statistics, but....

I have a Poker Tracker database with 4,140,999 hands of $3/6 LIMIT Hold Em on Party Poker.

From a total of 24,817 players recorded, 37.75 percent are winners, and 62.25 percent are losers.

The biggest winner is someone who is $1625 ahead after 13,093 hands.

The biggest loser is someone who is $1787 down after 6,146 hands.

Although the total number of hands is impressive, I'm not really sure that it is statistically significant.  I think that Sklansky or Malmuth said that 300 bb loss or win was a key figure in determining whether it was likely that you were a loser or winner in a game - your most extreme figures are within this (just...).  

If you can be bothered doing a bit more work why don't you look at the results of players who have 10k 15k and 20k hands in your database.  It would be interesting to see if the divergence between % of winners and losers increases with hands played or stays constant.

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oops just thought of a problem - far less losers than winners will reach the 10k, 15k 20k hand levels - so pointless to analyse

[Div]

That sounds WAY to much like hard work. I work with software all day, so at night I tend to stick to poker sites.

Anyway I thought the 300BB figure was recommended bankroll i.e. to variance proof yourself at $3/6 your bankroll should be at least $1800?


One very interesting thing that leaps out from the top twelve players in terms of hands played is that their playing style is VERY similar.

They ALL voluntarily put money in 13% of the time, they ALL raise pre-flop 9% of the time, and they ALL win at showdown about 55% of the time.

Nine are clear winners, two are even, and one is down $200. I reckon that tends to imply there's a certain style which is pretty much guaranteed to win at these tables in the long run. The one loser and two break even can be attributed to variance.

If I see any of them at a table, I'll steer well clear!

[Div]

I would love to use some of these devices, but the simplest technology baffles me

The first time I used an egg timer, I put it in with the eggs

Red you don't need the help. I've seen you at those final tables recently!

Still can't believe that J3 suckout - and the guy went on to win the tourney!