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« Reply #135 on: October 16, 2007, 10:00:22 PM »

What are peoples views on the Calzaghe v Kessler fight?
Personally I think Kessler is overpriced for this so have waged accordingly
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« Reply #136 on: October 16, 2007, 11:07:05 PM »

I'm not under estimating Vera. he's a decent prospect for the future, although probably at light heavyweight rather than heavyweight.
People underestimate Sylvia and I'm not entirely sure why. He's 6'8" and as a result looks pretty sloppy and cumbersome when he fights but he's a huge, powerful man and Vera is an undersized heavyweight.

I think alot of the issue is that Vera beat Frank Mir not long ago. for those that don't know, Mir was the heavyweigh champ a few years ago and was the UFC golden boy. He is a top Ju Jitsu guy and snapped Sylvias arm in a title defence, then went and had a serious motorbike accident. He's never really recovered and Vera beat him recently. UFC pundits and fans still hero worship Mir so if Vera beat him, it MUST be Vera > Mir > Sylvia.

personally I think Vera will try and stand with Sylvia because he saw Randy Couture do it successfuly last year. Vera may think he's the same class of fighter as Couture but I don't think he is, and I doubt Sylvia does either.

Sylvia TKO 1st / 2nd

In the main even I see Anderson Silva beating Rich Franklin again. Franklin has showed he's a class above the rest of the middleweight division in his fights since his big loss to Silva, but I also don't think he's shown anything that's going to overturn the total domination enjoyed by Silva last time.

Silva TKO 2nd / 3rd

Agree with both predictions, I'd like to see Franklin win and if he had better takedowns and ground game he'd have a chance but I think it'll stay on the feet which is a bad situation for him. Silva by KO 1st round

Don't see how Silva/Vera got second billing it will be a terrible fight and I don't really care who wins. Where the f*ck is Arlovski by the way?

It's Calzaghe all the way.
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« Reply #137 on: October 17, 2007, 12:58:58 PM »

don't forget Silva is a black belt BJJ so the ground isn't a safe place for franklin either.

I disagree about Sylivia v Vera being boring (I know it's the commonly held view on forums) but I think Tim will shut a few critics up and give Vera a bit of a beating.
Someone managed to get £10 at 3/1 on betfair. I've got £20 at 2.22

Calzaghe to win but it's closer that the odds suggest. I can't back him cause the price is no good.

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« Reply #138 on: October 19, 2007, 01:31:16 PM »

Heard this last night:

Mixed martial arts star Randy (The Natural) Couture announced his retirement Thursday, leaving the UFC heavyweight title up for grabs.

The inability to secure a fight with Russian heavyweight star Fedor Emelianenko and issues with UFC management appear to have driven the decision. But at 44, Couture also knew Father Time was catching up. The barrel-chested Hall of Famer, who left the sport for almost a year in early 2006, exits a champion - and with plenty of opportunities in other fields


So Sylvia/Vera is now a final eliminator for the championship fight!
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« Reply #139 on: October 19, 2007, 03:10:36 PM »

division is wide open. I think Randy would have won a couple of defences easy.

Arlovski I think will take hold of the division
Crocop (when he gets his head in the game)
Sylvia / Vera (money is on Sylvia)
Nogueira coming in
Frank Mir finally put in a good performance last fight
Kongo is a hard fight for anyone
Gonzaga can obviously cause an upset

I want to see Arlovski v Cro Cop, although Arlovski v Congo or even Arlovski v Mir
winner to fight Sylvia / Vera for the title

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« Reply #140 on: October 21, 2007, 11:39:05 AM »

Nice call on Tim Sylvia AdamM.
I had a free bet to use so had £40 on him at 13/10.
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« Reply #141 on: October 21, 2007, 02:23:20 PM »

Fuck. Thought UFC 77 was tonight.  Bugger.  Didn't get a bet on.
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« Reply #142 on: October 22, 2007, 08:27:59 AM »

Nice call on Tim Sylvia AdamM.
I had a free bet to use so had £40 on him at 13/10.

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on a bit of a run for picking these

had Couture to beat Sylvia, Kongo to beat Crocop, Couture to beat Gonzaga, Griffin to beat Rua, Sylvia to beat Vera, all between evens and 3.8.

I should start a tips service

Shame Sylvia didn't find the confidence with his striking until 3rd round. I think he realised late in the fight that Vera really couldn't take the power. Vera was perhaps stronger in the clinch than Sylvia expected and managed to at least neutralise him for a couple of rounds. Right decision by the judges though.

Wasn't Anderson Silva incredible again? Rich Franklin is head and shoulders better than the rest of the middleweight division, and Silva is miles better than Franklin. Silva is settled in for a very very long reign in that division.

some other good fights with a variety of Ju Jitsu, Muay Thai and ground & pound on show.

UFC 77 was a good night. Don't worry Scott, I'll sort you a tip for the next one  Wink
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« Reply #143 on: October 22, 2007, 08:25:46 PM »

looking at the fight card for UFC 78 I see most of the favourites winning.
Houston Alexander should beat Thiago Silva
I think Ed Herman should beat David Terrell
Karo Perisian is a favourite over Ryo Chonan
On the under card, Chris Lytle should beat Thiago Alves
and Jason Lauzon should beat Jason Reinhardt

I think the upset will come in the main event, Michael Bisping v Rashad Evans.
Evans is a decent fighter. In his last outing he got a controversial draw against Tito Ortiz. A fight that people generally thought he won, and I agree. He was much better than Ortiz on the night and given that only losses to Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell spoil a record of 11 wins since 2000. That's an impressive result for Evans, even if he didn't actually get the win

Bisping, however, has just had a controversial win over Matt Hamill. most US fans think Hamill won the fight, but I disagree with this. He expected Hamill to go straight for the takedown as he's technically a pretty shite striker. As a world class wrestler with what the americans charmingly call 'tard strength ( ) that would have seemed the most likely tactic. Instead, Hamill used his strength and charged into a striking war. Bispings timing was poor in round 1 and he got badly knocked about. Rounds two and three he managed to stay at longer range and pick Hamill off with long jab / crosses and kicks but he was fighting backing off and at the end of the fight he was the one with the messed up face. add in the sympathy card because of Hamill being profoundly deaf (not that I'm suggesting HE uses that as an excuse, I'm not) and the public are left thinking Bisping was wrong to get the tick in the win column.

What Hamill brought to the table was his superior physical strength which he surprisingly chose to utilise mostly on his feet, rather than wrestling, which is his strength.
Rashad Evans is also a great Wrestler. Better than Hamill probably. BUT he's not as physically strong. Striking, Bisping has a big advantage.
Evans is the shorter fighter so I think he's going to have trouble getting Bisping to the mat. He's going to have to exchange on their feet and hope to land a big shot and then, if he can get Bisping stunned, go for the take down.
I think he'll struggle to land that shot and Bisping will pick him off. Evans won't charge, bull-like as Hamill did. Evans will try and stalk and spring into exchanges and Bispings stand up will be too good.
IF Evans does manage a take down one of thes things will happen.
1 - Bisping will be able to hold him and get the ref to stand them up, because Bisping is stronger.
2 - Bisping will reverse the position on the way down and land on top. If Evans ends up on his back, I think he's in big trouble. Wrestlers like Evans on their back are like tortoises. Add Bisping on top pounding down and he's in a very bad spot.
3 - If Evans gets sloppy on top, Bisping could grab an arm bar, or even scramble for Evans' back. Although it's not his strength, but Bisping does have some Ju Jitsu and this might be a rare occasion where he has the best Ju Jitsu in the match up.

All in all, I think Bisping has more ways to win than Evans. Evans is extremely unlikely to KO Bisping. Evans has no chance of submitting Bisping. Ground and pound is his only way to win.
People have forgotten how dominant Bisping was in the Ultimate Fighter series he won. With the exception of Hamill, no-one else was even close to him.

with Bisping trading at 2.22 and likely to go higher, that's where my money is going. I think I'll ask for 2.5 on Betfair and then, closer to fight time, see if I can get some action up near 2.8 or beyond.
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« Reply #144 on: October 24, 2007, 08:43:51 PM »

No I'm not gonna start talking g about WWE don't worry. This former wrestling star has decided to blank the pretend stuff and do the real thing, He's joining the UFC. Brock has already had MMA fights and has battered all. Maybe worth a punt on being the next UFC heavyweight champion. He weighs 300lbs, can bench 650lbs, run the 100m in 10.6 seconds and has one of the hardest strikes on the planet, quite scary.

given the right opponent, good money could well be made betting against this guy. weighing 300lbs is not a great advantage in the cage. a guy with that much muscle needs a lot of oxygen pumped round his system. 5 x 5 minute rounds against a big hitting cage fighter is a VERY big ask. Randy would have slaughtered him. as it is he'll probably have a banger to deal with.

next heavyweight champ? Arlovski will hopefuly fight in December / January and if he wins will probably face Sylvia for the vacant title.
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« Reply #145 on: October 24, 2007, 09:41:48 PM »

pretty efficient start

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5XLkqQwIT2k&NR=1
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« Reply #146 on: October 25, 2007, 12:53:44 AM »

Hard to tell with the quality of the video but he looks like hes dropped some weight, which can only be a good thing.
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« Reply #147 on: October 25, 2007, 08:32:48 AM »

the more they hype him up, the better odds I'll get on his first UFC opponent.

If accomplished Ring fighters like Crocop and Rua struggle when they first step in the cage, WWE stars are really going to have it hard.

Long term he might do ok but first few fights he'll have a tough time.
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« Reply #148 on: October 25, 2007, 01:51:59 PM »

The first time I heard he was gonna do this I thought your having a laugh, not so sure now. He's weighing 265 and cut at 6'3. Give him a few fights and I reckon he's got a real chance of making it in the UFC, after all he was an amazing amateur wrestler. They're more than likely going to give him a few Muppet's he can manhandle to start off his career there. The UFC have given him a 2 year contract so they wont be wanting him losing in his first few fights for fear of losing the ticket sales he's gonna bring in. Can't wait to see a match with him against one of the UFC's name heavyweights.
Who's next John Cena, now that would be
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« Reply #149 on: October 25, 2007, 06:51:34 PM »

I've done a bit of youtubing of him, trying to find non 'entertainment' wrestling stuff of him.

His K1 fight looks OK.

the college wrestling was pretty unimpressive to be honest. didn't see anything that'd help him in the cage.

I'm not writing him off because he obviously doesn't lack drive and determination, and I'm sure he'll be seeking expert coaching.

I'll give him a fair crack of the whip but I'm sceptical.
 
I just wish they could persuade a big boxing name to give it a go. I'd love to see a boxer get pwned in the octagon.
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