ruling needed please

[Pontecarlo]

ok blondites heres another one for you - would appreciate any TD`s answers

this happened tonight at my game i organise without me being aware until much later , when asked i wasnt sure of the correct response - here goes
standard 8 seater table with only 2 players left in (blinds) pre flop - no raise from BB and we have the flop , KK6 which is checked by both although the sb has paired the 6 , turn bring a 9 and again both check - river is a 2 and the BB says check (out of turn) the Sb says actually its my first bet and the BB apologises, the sb thinks and then checks assuming that a bet would be pointless although beleiving he is in front - the BB then announces  all in
somewhat surprised the sb thinks that he is blatently on the rob and calls , the BB shows J9 and the winning hand and the SB walks away (was covered ) and out - i have an inexperienced dealer and no one really thinks anything of it on the table and it is not questioned , the guy knocked out  then approaches me 30 mins later and tells me what has happened and having thought about it he beleives the BB shouldent have been allowed to raise all in after a check , albeit from out of position , he thinks the check call should have stood
to be honest its nothing i have ever come across before and couldent give him a 100% answer although i tend to agree with him
if i had been called over at the time and asked for a ruling i think would have come down on his side and insisted the check call from bb stood however i would like clarification. i would like to firstly point out both players were very inexperienced poker wise , let alone live play so any suggestion of a deliberate play to deceive is way off the mark,but i would like some ruling please if anyone could help
thx

[snoopy1239]

My understanding is that you can't bet if you have acted out of turn.

Not 100% tho.

[ActionAxe]

My understanding is that the BBs initial action must stand unless the SB makes some action.

i.e.
If SB check then the  BB MUST check
If SB bets then the BB previous action is cancelled and he can either call / pass / raise as normal.

[RobS]

I thought the ruling is he cannot make any action after that. He can call a bet but cannot raise, and if the SB checks, he has to check.

[Robert HM]

I think it must be that his out of turn action stands unless it is impossible, i.e he can't check to a bet. Seems a cheeky little moody.

[dik9]

Firstly he verbally made action out of turn, be it a check or a bet. The fact he checked out of turn, now gives him one of two options if the person first to speak bets. 1. He calls or 2. He passes. Under NO circumstances should he be allowed to raise or even bet if he has announced a check. His only options are to check, call if raised, or pass.
If the person first to speak checks then that is ALL he can do!

If he had bet out of turn (some rules differ) then that bet goes. The penalty, if you are smart and want to see a flop cheaply and you are to speak before him is for example. He announced bet of 500 out of turn, if you are to his right and bet 275 that is all he can call for with no option for him to raise or pass. As his original bet would make it an under raise of 225.

[dik9]

Reading your post again, although it is an 8 seater table and two are left in. Do you mean its heads up or the other 6 have folded to the BB. If its heads up then the betting was in the right place as the button should be on the SB hence BB first to speak!

[Dani Versace]

Dik u must play on the button at broadway huh? most places  now play s/blind b/blind off the button. so the player acted out of turn, so he has to check regardless, hes not allowed to re raise, he can call a raise thats all. he has to be penilised for the out of turn action.

[AdamM]

you saying HU button posts BB? how can the WSOP, WPT,EPT have Button post SB and then some regional casinos decide to do it the other way?

[dik9]

Dik u must play on the button at broadway huh? most places  now play s/blind b/blind off the button. so the player acted out of turn, so he has to check regardless, hes not allowed to re raise, he can call a raise thats all. he has to be penilised for the out of turn action.

Heads Up Dani , the button is Small Blind at the Broadway ...Yes

[AdamM]

quite right too

[Yogi-Bear]

Yes in HU. SB is on the button.

But they said it was 8 handed and everyone passed.

No he cant check out of turn and then go all in when it gets to his turn.

Stop complicating the matter.

Also If someone says raise out of turn, then everyone checks to him how is he being penalised by having to raise?? He wanted to raise and announced it, but he still gets to raise. Weird one for you all.

Yogi