mansion ott security

[Muahahahaha]

I just tried to make my first withdrawl from Mansion having deposited via neteller.

They've asked me to fax a copy of my driving licence or passport.

Not too tricky.

This is a one off request, so next time ( if there is a next time ) I can just do a simple transfer.

Why doesn't everyone use Neteller ?  I can move funds around between poker accounts without any pain, & easily just transfer from Neteller straight into my bank account, when I've made a profit ( ok my last movement into HSBC was at Xmas, but maybe I'll make a little spending money for my summer hols if I keep at it )

Why not have the money go to and from your credit card directly?  You're well protected then.

Charges ?

The fact that my mrs sees my card statements ?

There must be a good reason in there somewhere.  But I just find that Neteller is my bankroll, therefore it's easy to keep an eye on

[kinboshi]

I just tried to make my first withdrawl from Mansion having deposited via neteller.

They've asked me to fax a copy of my driving licence or passport.

Not too tricky.

This is a one off request, so next time ( if there is a next time ) I can just do a simple transfer.

Why doesn't everyone use Neteller ?  I can move funds around between poker accounts without any pain, & easily just transfer from Neteller straight into my bank account, when I've made a profit ( ok my last movement into HSBC was at Xmas, but maybe I'll make a little spending money for my summer hols if I keep at it )

Why not have the money go to and from your credit card directly?  You're well protected then.

Charges ?

The fact that my mrs sees my card statements ?

There must be a good reason in there somewhere.  But I just find that Neteller is my bankroll, therefore it's easy to keep an eye on

There are no charges for using a credit card. 

[Muahahahaha]

I just tried to make my first withdrawl from Mansion having deposited via neteller.

They've asked me to fax a copy of my driving licence or passport.

Not too tricky.

This is a one off request, so next time ( if there is a next time ) I can just do a simple transfer.

Why doesn't everyone use Neteller ?  I can move funds around between poker accounts without any pain, & easily just transfer from Neteller straight into my bank account, when I've made a profit ( ok my last movement into HSBC was at Xmas, but maybe I'll make a little spending money for my summer hols if I keep at it )

Why not have the money go to and from your credit card directly?  You're well protected then.

Charges ?

The fact that my mrs sees my card statements ?

There must be a good reason in there somewhere.  But I just find that Neteller is my bankroll, therefore it's easy to keep an eye on

There are no charges for using a credit card. 

There are if my mrs sees the statement !!!!

But seriously, it's the simplicity. With banks sticking charges on debit cards, & tbh I thought there were already charges for credit cards.  I used to use debit cards on some accounts, & credit cards on others ( I used to open loads of accounts to try to clear the bonus ) then cashing out to different cards, I'd not have a clear idea whether I'm losing a little, or losing loads. 

Now I can easily see if I'm breaking even, & I find I fritter less away now.   If I'm running at a slight loss one month, I can stop playing my marginal games, dive back to the good old fulltilt sngs & normally show a $30 profit instead of a $20 loss

Peanuts, I know, but it suits me

[TightPaulFolds]

There really is no fuss with mansion, sent off my passport and debit card scans (with first 8 digits and my cvc number covered), within 24 hours had an email back saying i had been verified and withdrew. Its no big deal and imo only goes to show that they take security very seriously.
Can you imagine the shit they would be in if they somehow let someone get of of your details so im sure they are airtight in their management of them.
Enough of the conspriacy theories me thinks!

I don't think anyone can be too paranoid in these instances, especially when the institution involved is demanding personal information that they cannot justify the need for.
Plenty of evidence around:

--Indian call centre 'fraud' probe

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4121934.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4094894.stm

--Powergen parted with the financial details and addresses of thousands of customers without any hacking

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/861353.stm

--Four [Barclays] customers who logged into the service on Monday morning found they were able to read details of other people's accounts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/860104.stm

--[BT] Customers were told via e-mail that "a hidden area" of the BTopenworld website, which contained personal data, had been "accessed by a limited number of unauthorised persons".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/729748.stm

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Caveat 1: These are all major UK highly regulated industries that use 'cutting edge' security technology. Forgive me if I get even more worried about a poker site. A poker site that could, for all I know, be 8 guys sitting somewhere with two servers in Guatemala who don't really give a toss about securing my personal data.

Caveat 2: You can sue any of these institutions in the UK if you lost out as a result of these breaches, but they would be likely to pay out first. Not so with gambling winnings, you cannot sue to recover them, they are not covered.

So, 'conspiracy theory', don't think so really...

[TightPaulFolds]

I just tried to make my first withdrawl from Mansion having deposited via neteller.

They've asked me to fax a copy of my driving licence or passport.

Not too tricky.

This is a one off request, so next time ( if there is a next time ) I can just do a simple transfer.

Why doesn't everyone use Neteller ?  I can move funds around between poker accounts without any pain, & easily just transfer from Neteller straight into my bank account, when I've made a profit ( ok my last movement into HSBC was at Xmas, but maybe I'll make a little spending money for my summer hols if I keep at it )

http://www.professional-poker.com/news/2007/feb/877-doj-freezes-neteller-payouts.htm

[Ironside]

They've asked me to fax a copy of my driving licence or passport.

yeah just send them exactly what they need to steal my ID great move

ps i only use neteller but wont send them that info

if they want to check i am who i say i am

they can check the electrol roll

[Muahahahaha]

They've asked me to fax a copy of my driving licence or passport.

yeah just send them exactly what they need to steal my ID great move

ps i only use neteller but wont send them that info

if they want to check i am who i say i am

they can check the electrol roll

So when you win the $100k, how will you cash out your winnings ?

I haven't sent it yet, & haven't got a fortune in there, so if it is that risky, I could always treat it as playmoney, but there obviously have been a few people to have won large sums.  What's the best way for them to get at their cash ?

Admittedly, no other sites have asked for any proof of id with neteller transactions.  Is there any suggestion that Mansion are slightly 'bent' ?

[Ironside]

They've asked me to fax a copy of my driving licence or passport.

yeah just send them exactly what they need to steal my ID great move

ps i only use neteller but wont send them that info

if they want to check i am who i say i am

they can check the electrol roll

So when you win the $100k, how will you cash out your winnings ?

I haven't sent it yet, & haven't got a fortune in there, so if it is that risky, I could always treat it as playmoney, but there obviously have been a few people to have won large sums.  What's the best way for them to get at their cash ?

Admittedly, no other sites have asked for any proof of id with neteller transactions.  Is there any suggestion that Mansion are slightly 'bent' ?

i dont play on the site as i know i wont be able to cash out

but i would proberly take em to court for the money

as they are not a LEGAL body in the UK ie court police or customs they have no right to ask for my passport

[TightPaulFolds]

They've asked me to fax a copy of my driving licence or passport.

yeah just send them exactly what they need to steal my ID great move

ps i only use neteller but wont send them that info

if they want to check i am who i say i am

they can check the electrol roll

So when you win the $100k, how will you cash out your winnings ?

I haven't sent it yet, & haven't got a fortune in there, so if it is that risky, I could always treat it as playmoney, but there obviously have been a few people to have won large sums.  What's the best way for them to get at their cash ?

Admittedly, no other sites have asked for any proof of id with neteller transactions.  Is there any suggestion that Mansion are slightly 'bent' ?

i dont play on the site as i know i wont be able to cash out

but i would proberly take em to court for the money

as they are not a LEGAL body in the UK ie court police or customs they have no right to ask for my passport

They have no legal obligation to let you use their site either

[Ironside]

but if they refused to let me take my winnings out i would have legal rights and could halt to there operating in this country unless they came to court or settled out of court

remember the fund are mine after i had won

[TightPaulFolds]

but if they refused to let me take my winnings out i would have legal rights and could halt to there operating in this country unless they came to court or settled out of court

remember the fund are mine after i had won

Mm, not sure about that. What legal rights do you have? How could anyone ever stop anyone running a website into their country? Unless it was to China or Singapore?
Not sure the money you have won is 'yours' either, to all intents and purposes, until you have it in your possession. Every site 'T&C' I've been bored enough to peruse has a '**** you' clause, which says that if we don't want to give you your money, we don't have to, without any reason being given. Presumably to protect themselves in the event of suspected fraud, collusion suspicion, etc.

[Ironside]

if they withheld my money i would take them to court

obviously they are not in this country so wouldnt need to come

but the judge could stop them trading in this country untill they apeared

meaning that all there advertising and sponsorship (spurs) would have to stop untill

the judge lifted the barr which he would only do once they have apeared in his court

or settled the problem with me

[Ironside]

but its not going to happen because

1 they would settle before it got that far by confirming my id anotehr way
2 i wont play on mansion because of the hassle to withdraw

[TightPaulFolds]

1 they would settle before it got that far by confirming my id anotehr way

Fair enough, but I think you have a lot more faith in the 'goodwill' factor than I do.

[Ironside]

instead of spening £1000s on a court case for what would proberly be only a £20k if i wont eh 100k event they would do something like get there lawyer to confirm i was who i said i was

but as i said it wont happen as there are plenty of other sites out there and i wont bother playing on a site that wont let me cash out