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« on: March 06, 2007, 04:06:49 PM »

I'm not sure if a similar topic has been posted before like this, but i tried to search for one and couldn't find any.

But at the Leeds Grovesnor Moortown Casino on Sunday i had the dream situation.
The guy next to me, who with around 30 ppl left, was up there with myself as one of the chip leaders, kept putting his cards up to his face and staring at them (he had glasses on) whilst unintentionally showing me his cards everytime.

Should i have done the moral and decent thing here and pretended i didn't see them and just play as i would've done normally to his raise (i.e fold)??

Or is it within my right to call his raise and then play off him in the hand knowing his cards?
Considering it wasn't really that i looked at his cards, i couldn't really avoid seeing them.

Has anyone else had this situation before.



What happened was that i was a horrible person and saw that he had AQ when he raised so called with my 6 2os.

Flop came 5 7 9, we check, turn a J, i check, he makes it 10k. I consider just calling and checking to him on the river to win more chips but decide theres too much of a risk of him hitting or checking behind me so pump it upto 30k and he folds.

I do this a few more times and win a tonne of chips.
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2007, 04:07:31 PM »

I didnt even read it coz i know you are a dirty stinking cheat already!
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2007, 04:10:36 PM »

Have read it now- this happened to me in a home game, i bought some lovely shiny glasses and my mates could see my cards, but they told me after a couple of hands and i havent done it since.
IMO you should do the gentleman thing and tell him if he does it again but i personally hate people who lift cards up to their face anyway!
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2007, 04:11:21 PM »

should have told him,.,.,
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2007, 04:11:43 PM »

I dont think you're "a cheat" but it is cheating.
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2007, 04:14:38 PM »

Not sure what I'd have done?  I think I'd have said something at some point but after a couple of looks Cheesy  I'd have sounded surprised that I could see them though, as if I'd just noticed kind of thing!

It's not something I've come across yet so haven't had to deal with it.

And why are you calling raises with 62 when you can see he has AQ ??
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2007, 04:15:08 PM »

On the immorality spectrum, it lies somewhere in between finding £100 in the street and not handing it in and burgling a house coz the door was open.

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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2007, 04:15:24 PM »

lol, tbh there are a few old ones at Moortown that put their cards right upto their face and have to make sure others can't see. Happened alot to me, its tricky situation. I wouldn't say anything and I would consionsly not look. (Making sure no one else was either thou).

If it was the older jewish man with glasses he does it all the time and I would tell him! *even though he is feking loaded* He's a really really bad player Sad
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2007, 04:15:39 PM »

You've got to tell him the first time you notice his cards. It's happened to me and I had a quiet word. Other fella did not realsie and was grateful


To actually play a hand with him knowing what he is got is completely out of order.
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2007, 04:18:35 PM »

To be fair, I know some Senior Citizens who do have trouble seeing their cards, & we should be tolerant & kind to them.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2007, 04:18:58 PM »

You are nothing but a cheat, that is disgraceful. As soon as you see someone's cards and you are in a hand its your duty to announce the cards you have seen and mateyboys hand is dead.

I can't believe you took it to the next level and deliberately got involved in a coup with filth to take even more advantage.

Have a nice day.
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2007, 04:22:12 PM »

To be serious, the etiquette if you accidentally see any "unexposed" (hole cards, burn cards or flop cards pre-deal) is to announce them to the whole table.
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2007, 04:25:21 PM »

To be serious, the etiquette if you accidentally see any "unexposed" (hole cards, burn cards or flop cards pre-deal) is to announce them to the whole table.

It's not even a case of etiquette, its your obligation to do so.
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2007, 04:25:59 PM »

You are nothing but a cheat, that is disgraceful. As soon as you see someone's cards and you are in a hand its your duty to announce the cards you have seen and mateyboys hand is dead.

I can't believe you took it to the next level and deliberately got involved in a coup with filth to take even more advantage.

Have a nice day.

I know. Im pure filth.
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2007, 04:29:12 PM »

You are nothing but a cheat, that is disgraceful. As soon as you see someone's cards and you are in a hand its your duty to announce the cards you have seen and mateyboys hand is dead.

I can't believe you took it to the next level and deliberately got involved in a coup with filth to take even more advantage.

Have a nice day.

that's what I do and I am with flushy on this..to actually go ahead and play the hand out the way it was played out is cheating.
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