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« on: March 16, 2007, 10:35:57 PM »

 Tonight in Ladbrokes $3 rebuy tourney , this is the hand I went out on.

 I analysed it afterwards and started to think I should have played it differently.

 To cut a long story short , I flopped middle set on a flushing board and went bust when another player made the nut flush.

 Ill post the hand history then give a bit of info and thought process throughout the hand.

 Any opinions / advice would be great , cos this is the kind of hand that I think is making the difference between making the money and going further.

 Also , I would appreciate good opinions and advice rather than the bashing and niggling you sometimes get on PHA.

   Game starting - 2007-03-16 21:47:45

 $1,500 GTD $3 NLHE Rebuy Table 5 Multi Table Hold 'em 1000/2000 No Limit  Real Money

- Eoannis39 sitting in seat 1 with $65464.31

- hef sitting in seat 2 with $38809.12 [Dealer]

- julesjb sitting in seat 3 with $21092.69

- Jack2310 sitting in seat 4 with $26246.68

- peachy4444 sitting in seat 5 with $28318.44

- Sandra1 sitting in seat 6 with $63833.30

- AB18 sitting in seat 7 with $63550.00

- chop176 sitting in seat 8 with $39988.07

- swisster sitting in seat 9 with $92448.01

- JoeChink sitting in seat 10 with $38965.16

julesjb posted the small blind - $1000.00

Jack2310 posted the big blind - $2000.00

 Dealing card to Jack2310    

peachy4444 folded

Sandra1 folded

AB18 folded

chop176 folded

swisster raised - $4000

JoeChink folded

Eoannis39 folded

hef called - $4000

julesjb folded

Jack2310 called - $2000

 Dealing the flop:     

Jack2310 bet - $6000

swisster raised - $12000

hef called - $12000

Jack2310 went all-in - $18246.68

swisster called - $12246.68

hef called - $12246.68

 Dealing the turn: 

swisster checked

hef went all-in - $10562.44

swisster folded

hef shows:   

 Dealing the river: 

hef wins $85740.04 from the main pot

End of game

 now , a couple of hands before this I lost about 12k when I ran QQ into AA , by now i was below average , Swisster has been pretty solid from what ive seen , so i figured he could have a big hand here and didnt want to push with 66 at this stage of the tourney ( just inside top 30 paid places )

 when hef called I figured he had a playable hand , but didnt put him on too big a hand. he is pretty well known on Ladbrokes and is a good tournament player.

 I decided to flat call the minimum raise , hoping to flop a set.

 So , I got a good flop for my 66 , I originally thought about checking , but the Clubs made me decide to bet out , hoping for the raise , then i could re raise all-in , I now think this was the mistake.

 If Swiss or Hef have AK / KQ or a pair ( JJ , 10 10 ) Im hoping for the raise or at least a call.

 When Swiss min raised again , I put him on a big hand , the K at least , maybe AA

 then hef flat calls , so by this point there is 43,000 in the pot and i have 18,000 left , im more than committed to the pot.

 Should i have checked the flop , then say if Swiss bets the 6k or bit more , I imagine Hef would just call a bet here , as he did the min raise.

 Then if I push , do I have more fold equity , or do Swiss and Hef have to call ? Does Hef call 18,000 all in re raise anyway with a draw ?

 this is what is getting to me , in the end hef puts roughly 70% of his chips in on and before the flop with a draw.

 Is he going all the way no matter how i play it , or could i have played it a bit differently ?

 for example , pushing the flop , to get rid of draws , but perhaps get a call from AK/KQ ??

 this is really doing my head in , if I won this pot id have 85k , chip leader at the table , probably top 3 overall , and have a chance to go on and play for the $600 on offer at final table.

 i appreciate this is a long post , but any advice / pointers from some of the quality MTT players on Blonde would be really appreciated.

 cheers . BigT
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2007, 10:43:53 PM »

at this stage in a comp when its basically a crap shoot i would either fold or go all in preflop

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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2007, 10:45:05 PM »

Also , I would appreciate good opinions and advice rather than the bashing and niggling you sometimes get on PHA.

I don't want to fall foul of you thinking i am bashing or niggling you in this post as i can't think of much positive to say about how you played the hand so i will keep my opinion to myself.
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2007, 10:59:34 PM »

Shove pre.
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2007, 11:04:35 PM »

at this stage in a comp when its basically a crap shoot i would either fold or go all in preflop



 it wasnt really a crapshoot , still a lot of play left , i was well below average ,  with about 14BBs .

 but the average stack still had a bit of play left. i dont like folding a pair for a min raise , when im getting 5 1/2 to 1 on the pot.

 this brings up another question , i seen on here recently , does a min raise usually mean weak or strong ??

 it puts questions in your mind , maybe if he raised 3/4 BBs i would have pushed , but this min raise gets inside your head.
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2007, 11:06:13 PM »

Also , I would appreciate good opinions and advice rather than the bashing and niggling you sometimes get on PHA.

I don't want to fall foul of you thinking i am bashing or niggling you in this post as i can't think of much positive to say about how you played the hand so i will keep my opinion to myself.

 you cant think of anything positive to say , yet you still have to come on with exactly the type of post im talking about , and get your little word in.

 i specifically wrote asking for positive advice , if you dont have any , dont post .

 no need for your sad little digs , really getting pathetic now mate.
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2007, 11:14:12 PM »

i feel left out
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2007, 11:17:29 PM »


 lol , i dont reall like pushing with small pairs , coin flips at best usually , but i suppose when I go under 15 BBs i normally look for a solid hand to double up with , and this probably should have been it , I didnt realise at the time I was under 15 BBs TBH.

 cheers anyway , just really frustrating , playing for 4 hours then going out like this , you know ?
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2007, 11:19:16 PM »

Doesnt matter what you push with!!!!!!!!! Coin flips at best... ONLY WHEN YOUR CALLED!!! SLAG it up, play any 2 here, squeeze them out!
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2007, 11:25:38 PM »


 SLAG ? take it that is Super Loose Aggressive Huh? and not the other type of slag you come across sometimes ?
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2007, 11:26:42 PM »


 definitely no pun intended    ^
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2007, 12:06:24 AM »

with 14x bb and an average stack your in a crapshoot

even if you werent you were well past the stage where you could limp in and try and catch a set or leave

your 7-1 to flop a set 4-1 to make it by the river

you go all in here you problery win the pot uncontested if you dont your in a coin flip

but you have great fold equity

the only other play is to fold worth doing if you think you are against a bigger pair or likely to get called
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2007, 12:07:39 AM »

with 14x bb and an average stack your in a crapshoot

even if you werent you were well past the stage where you could limp in and try and catch a set or leave

your 7-1 to flop a set 4-1 to make it by the river

you go all in here you problery win the pot uncontested if you dont your in a coin flip

but you have great fold equity

the only other play is to fold worth doing if you think you are against a bigger pair or likely to get called

Folding is far worse than calling.
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2007, 12:15:28 AM »

i'm not a fan of folding here but i certainly wouldnt call
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2007, 12:45:05 AM »

 why not ? your getting 5 1/2 to 1 on the pot and stil have 12BBs to play after the flop
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