More rubbish limit play

[Muahahahaha]

I promise that I WILL get the hang of this limit stuff eventually.

I know the call on the turn was weak, should I just have decided that this was my tournament life & pushed all the way, or is it worth hanging in there as shorty, because a nice hand could easily treble you up.

The ave stack was about 2500 at this point.  I'd had one good hand in recent memory & a couple of stud hands that had started well, but ended up as nothing, so I'd lost a few chips overall.  150 into a 750 pot seemed a decent call with this hand.

I am really bad at being well under average chips.

Comments please.  Don't try to spare my blushes.

PokerStars Game #9161152609: Tournament #45992163, $3.00+$0.30 HORSE (Hold'em
Limit) - Level VI (150/300) - 2007/03/30 - 07:41:24 (ET)
Table '45992163 9' 8-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Mr_Mad (4762 in chips)
Seat 2: lookintowin1 (2112 in chips)
Seat 3: kubo67 (1479 in chips)
Seat 4: repsaj12 (1237 in chips)
Seat 5: mrfluffakins (5045 in chips)
Seat 6: Mwahahahaha (1640 in chips)
Seat 7: G.C. King (3182 in chips)
Seat 8: tazsmom (925 in chips)
mrfluffakins: posts small blind 75
Mwahahahaha: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mwahahahaha [ ]
G.C. King: folds
tazsmom: raises 150 to 300
Mr_Mad: folds
lookintowin1: folds
kubo67: folds
repsaj12: folds
mrfluffakins: calls 225
Mwahahahaha: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [ ]
mrfluffakins: checks
Mwahahahaha: bets 150
tazsmom: calls 150
mrfluffakins: calls 150
*** TURN *** [ ] []
mrfluffakins: bets 300
Mwahahahaha: calls 300
tazsmom: raises 175 to 475 and is all-in
mrfluffakins: raises 125 to 600
Mwahahahaha: calls 300
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
mrfluffakins: bets 300
Mwahahahaha: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mrfluffakins: shows [ ] (a flush, Ace high)
mrfluffakins collected 250 from side pot
tazsmom: shows [ Ah] (a pair of Aces)
mrfluffakins collected 2775 from main pot

This left me 590 in chips.  I ended up sticking it in during the omaha hi/lo round with a non nut flush, beaten by the nuts.

[thetank]

I'm not versed in the ways of limit hold'em tourneys. Play em just like a limit cash game till the blinds get pick, and the strategy reverts almost to NL tourney play.

I might have check raised the flop with that big draw to 12 outs, (11 of which are the nuts)

If I get no callers, happy days coz you pick up the pot with the unmade hand
Lots of callers, happy days because of the bet odds
One caller is not ideal, but we may be able to scare him off a raggy ace with the double sized turn bet.

[doubleup]

Nothing much to be said here.

You played a marginal hand pre-flop, got a great flop and didn't hit.  Just unlucky.

Would you have posted this hand if you had hit?

[Royal Flush]

Deffo check raise here.

[doubleup]

One caller is not ideal, but we may be able to scare him off a raggy ace with the double sized turn bet.

Not in limit.   

[matt674]

Pass preflop - you have K8 out of position to a preflop raiser which has already been called by someone else. If you pass you still have 10bb left in a limit game which is hardly crisis "all in with any two" time.

[Graham C]

Pass preflop - you have K8 out of position to a preflop raiser which has already been called by someone else. If you pass you still have 10bb left in a limit game which is hardly crisis "all in with any two" time.

  pass preflop.

Having called, I'd have checked/called any bets. Not overly going to commit myself on this as one bet isn't going to chase anyone off.

[thetank]

One caller is not ideal, but we may be able to scare him off a raggy ace with the double sized turn bet.

Not in limit.   

Some folks still pass on the turn in a heads up pot in limit (they do when I have the goods anyway )

If second to act and bet at, I'm not advocating a raise, but like to lead here if first to act.

If second to act and it's checked to me, I'm not quite sure.
Sometimes check, sometimes bet. In a tourney, would lean heavily towards checking for the free card. Trouble with that is that it's tough to get paid on the river when you hit, but the pot is juicy already, and no need to risk more chips than I need to. (cash games, the pot is never big enough)

[boldie]

Pass preflop - you have K8 out of position to a preflop raiser which has already been called by someone else. If you pass you still have 10bb left in a limit game which is hardly crisis "all in with any two" time.

Right...once the flop hits as it does though you have to check raise the flop.

[matt674]

Pass preflop - you have K8 out of position to a preflop raiser which has already been called by someone else. If you pass you still have 10bb left in a limit game which is hardly crisis "all in with any two" time.

Right...once the flop hits as it does though you have to check raise the flop.

Dont think it really matters whether you check raise or come out firing - your not going to get them both to pass so you have to decide is this the hand i want to go broke with.

And with nut flush and nut gutshot straight draw you have enough outs to justify going broke on this hand, but then when you miss you have to realize thats the chance you take calling preflop raises out of position with marginal hands.

[Muahahahaha]

Would you have posted this hand if you had hit?

No, because I never remember my winning hands.

But should I have either thrown it away on the turn & saved myself 600 valuable chips, or tought, blow this, it's all or nothing.

The thing is, after the turn i was relying on the cards to win for me.  Can you win by aggresion here ?  Is it worth carrying on with only 600 chips, when there is still a card to come ?

What I'm trying to learn is how I should be feeling/thinking  post flop in these sorts of games.

[matt674]

150 into a 750 pot seemed a decent call with this hand.

This is the problem with limit poker - its always "just one more bet". You always seem to be getting the right odds to call with marginal hands but then when you miss you are just frittering away chips.

If you continually save all the "one more bets" it soon adds up..................

[thetank]

Dont think it really matters whether you check raise or come out firing - your not going to get them both to pass so you have to decide is this the hand i want to go broke with.

Check raising has the bet odds in itself (I think), it builds the pot on the flop for when you hit one of your nut outs, stick in the big turn/river raises, and they are priced in for calling with rags.
It does matter. Makes the difference between netting 4ish big bets when you hit and 8ish big bets when you hit.

[matt674]

If you check raise on the flop then you only net an extra 1 big bet - then what do you do on the turn when you miss?

[thetank]

It's a marginal pre-flop call, but don't worry, it's not as criminal a play as the TAG monkey would have you believe.

If you are comfy with your post flop play, it might even be marginally +EV. Marginal doesn't always mean marginally bad.