NP : Where did it all begin?

[Jon MW]

My own personal view is that the big bang theory is nonsense. As many others think religion is nonsense.

but it's not really debatable. they've proved it beyond doubt.everything is moving away from everything else at a uniform speed from a central point. they know when it happened and where...

hmmm on the balance of probabilities I think the Big Bang theory seems more likely than other theories, but they haven't and can't prove it. All they have is evidence which supports the theory.

[kinboshi]

It doesn't need to be a 'start' either.  If the universe goes through cycles of expansion and contraction, each expansion cycle could be a 'big bang'.

[kinboshi]

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Something cannot be created from nothing  ...

a phycisist once explained to me how it could - it made my head hurt

Energy can be transferred and converted into matter or into a different form of energy, but it can't be created.  I'd be interested to hear the argument otherwise.

[happybhoy]

God as it is described in the bible is a logical impossibility. In the bible God is omnipotent which means he can see the future, if he sees the future then it is impossible for him to have given us free-will. Omnipresence and free-will are polar opposites. I used to be militantly anti-religious but i've chilled in my older years and realised that on an individual level you can't judge people on what they believe, whether it be god, buddha, xenu, science,  pan-galactic space hamsters, whatever you need to get by(okay except xenu, man scientologists get on my thrupenny bits). My real grudge is with organised religion which along with government, nationalism and money are simply system put in place by the few to control the many.

PS I've been trying to post this for about 1-2 hours which is why it's slightly off track it should have appeared on page 2 somewhere , anyone else having problems with blonde at the mo?

[Jon MW]

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Something cannot be created from nothing  ...

a phycisist once explained to me how it could - it made my head hurt

Energy can be transferred and converted into matter or into a different form of energy, but it can't be created.  I'd be interested to hear the argument otherwise.

No really it nearly drove me over the edge, the only thing I can remember is the word quantum and Newtonian {something or over} - not working?
 
I only ever talked to her in the first place because she was hot    a really nice person generally.

[AndrewT]

somewhere there's a version of this without the shit sound track but I cant find it right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCwVoOKxj1k

This is sort of along the same lines - very cool to play with or just leave running for an hour or so which gives you the best idea of the scale of things.

http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/feelnikon/discovery/universcale/index_f.htm

[kinboshi]

...
Something cannot be created from nothing  ...

a phycisist once explained to me how it could - it made my head hurt

Energy can be transferred and converted into matter or into a different form of energy, but it can't be created.  I'd be interested to hear the argument otherwise.

No really it nearly drove me over the edge, the only thing I can remember is the word quantum and Newtonian {something or over} - not working?
 
I only ever talked to her in the first place because she was hot    a really nice person generally.

I think I know what you are talking about, but it's concerned with virtual transition states, Hawkin radiation, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, etc.  The final state brings back the equilibrium in terms of energy conservation.

[KingPoker]

watch my pissing video if you want to know about the big bang!!!!!

Gees!!!

[fearisthekey]

My own personal view is that the big bang theory is nonsense. As many others think religion is nonsense.

but it's not really debatable. they've proved it beyond doubt.everything is moving away from everything else at a uniform speed from a central point. they know when it happened and where.

also, if anyone thinks we're the pinnacle of some divine master plan, you need some perspective on how small we are.

somewhere there's a version of this without the shit sound track but I cant find it right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCwVoOKxj1k

If human beings evolved from lower species then how come there are still welsh people.

As for the Big Bang, you can still see the effects of it all around us.

[thetank]

Like when you blow up a brown paper bag and clap your hands

[FlyingPig]

They cannot prove a big bang. They can guess and get equations to satisfy their enquiries, but this is not proof. Scientist are continually getting things wrong.

Early science - the world is flat. The atom is the smallest particle. Radioactive toothpaste is good for you.

I agree with Kinboshi that you can believe in all 3 in essence. The great architect of the universe created the big bang, which is the universe as we know it, then he created man (and poker), and since then we have been fine tuned into what we are today. So there you go Paul - Its sorted. Thats were and how it began, up yours Hawking......

I think scientists will never be able to fully understand; never mind explain all the intriquices of life. The quarks, atoms, particles & DNA will never be understood.

As for where god came from; well this is the unseen force which binds everything together and is just there. Plain and simply it is just there.

[kinboshi]

Bose-Einstein condensation - now that's an amazing thing - and unless there is other intelligent life in the universe (another thread needed me thinks), then the coldest temperature in the universe is on earth.

Amazing.

[FlyingPig]

Is -273 the coldest temp possible....

[kinboshi]

Is -273 the coldest temp possible....

Well, 0 K is the coldest possible temperature - as it's absolute zero, where all motion stops, and an absence of any motion is an absence of temperature.

It's -273.something in celsius, can't remember what exactly.

[wader leg]

Early science church - the world is flat.



I think scientists will never be able to fully understand; never mind explain all the intriquices of life. The quarks, atoms, particles & DNA will never be understood.

The church also said the sun revolved around the earth and punished people who thought different.
Scientists discovered quarks, atoms and particles and DNA, the fact that you know about these things is thanks to scientists and not the bible, how can you say they will never be understood?