Am I Horrible For Doing this? Would you have done the same???

[ariston]

you started this thread by asking the question are you a horrible person and would I do this. I have answered (as a more experienced but certainly not wealthier) that I wouldnt do this because it is cheating. I am not staining your character and you now know for future reference that it is unacceptable behaviour. I have explained that corect ettiquette and rules state that once a hand has been tabled it speaks, if the dealer makes an error and passes the losing player the pot it should be corrected by anybody at the table and the pot should go to the winning hand. If you want to plead ignorance then fine but now you know would you do it again? If the answer is yes you would do it again then yes I think you are a cheat, if the answer is no then you're not.

[doubleup]

As far a cash is concerned, a player requires all his cards to collect the pot.  I would only concede the pot in a cash game if I thought it was in my long term interests i.e. a beginner or a regular donator. 

It does my head in when people say that. You can win a pot in a cash game with ONE card if you like. If you've accidentaly mucked one somehow throughout the course of the hand, as long as you started with two.

Of course, you have to show all remaining cards to take a pot.

I think this is debateable.  The reason that you have to show both cards is because of the possibility of the deck being fouled.  Lets say there are 4 spades on board and player a shows the King of spades - player b realising that he also has the King along with the Ace, tosses the King in the muck and shows the ace.

Bob Ciaffone's rules state that a hand is dead if it doesn't contain the required number of cards for the game. 

[Indestructable]

Interesting thread.
Allegations of being a cheat seem a load of tosh to be honest as he appears from the original post to have acted in line with his understanding of the rules and he has been backed up by the TD.
As for the ruling hopefully Mel will read this thread as it would be good to get her views on this one.

[kinboshi]

Indie cheated in the quiz...

[Indestructable]

 

[iceman]

in a cash game if the players involved agree to do something its got nothing to do with the staff. Its a cash game and its our cash thats on the table so why should we put up with a half arsed decisision?

greats words of wisdom here,lets not be decievieved that the poster has any affinity with the losing player in this hand (possiblly theyre both mugs) but who knows-surely the truth would be a point of conjecture!!!!?? lets -in all honesty be the novice at the table n then pose the question tomorrow,good luck folks,youre morallity has been predetermined-ypo are a cheat.

[ariston]

in a cash game if the players involved agree to do something its got nothing to do with the staff. Its a cash game and its our cash thats on the table so why should we put up with a half arsed decisision?

greats words of wisdom here,lets not be decievieved that the poster has any affinity with the losing player in this hand (possiblly theyre both mugs) but who knows-surely the truth would be a point of conjecture!!!!?? lets -in all honesty be the novice at the table n then pose the question tomorrow,good luck folks,youre morallity has been predetermined-ypo are a cheat.

very good at taking quotes out of context- you have showed over and over what an imbecile you are and I will have no further slanging matches with someone who obviously already knows everything. The quote above was when somebody said players weren't allowed to sort the pot out themselves in a cash game when an incorrect ruling had been made and I said in cash games its different. Keep attacking away in any other threads as you are obviously that type of person but I will leave you to play with yourself now (should be used to it)

[iceman]

maybe your not a cheat after all but like me youre a wanker,imbecile,child,tosser,aggressive idiot who disagrees with the self appointed god on all things poker related unless of course it diverts from the truth according to - ive played and lost consistently for 20years it hurts to much to face the truth so ill call every1 else into question ariston,coz thats all i know how to do !!

[BrumBilly]

You're out of order!

[iceman]

check the thread- i dont think so. give a reason at least

[BrumBilly]

Have read thread from start to finish. If you don't think your posts are out of order then any reason I give will be falling on deaf ears methinks.

[iceman]

so you dont give a reason but decide to be critical,how apt

[BrumBilly]

maybe your not a cheat after all but like me youre a wanker,imbecile,child,tosser,aggressive idiot who disagrees with the self appointed god on all things poker related unless of course it diverts from the truth according to - ive played and lost consistently for 20years it hurts to much to face the truth so ill call every1 else into question ariston,coz thats all i know how to do !!

Reason enough I think.

My thoughts on the OP are as follows: I think the snooker analogy was a good one. I ALWAYS call a foul on myself in cuesports whether I have fouled or not...If I think I may have fouled that's enough...It's about honour and poker is the same. In the example in question I'd have pushed the chips over TO THE PLAYER THAT SHOWED DOWN the winning hand. For my money, asking for a ruling here with the intention is pretty low. May be in a hypothetical situation a player might ask for a ruling to make the villain sweat which would be punishment of sorts for his behaviour but the said player would NEVER have any intentions of claiming chips they clearly hadn't won.

Please don't ask me for anymore reasons.

[dik9]

As far a cash is concerned, a player requires all his cards to collect the pot.  I would only concede the pot in a cash game if I thought it was in my long term interests i.e. a beginner or a regular donator. 

It does my head in when people say that. You can win a pot in a cash game with ONE card if you like. If you've accidentaly mucked one somehow throughout the course of the hand, as long as you started with two.

Of course, you have to show all remaining cards to take a pot.

Oh dear

[I KNOW IT]

As far a cash is concerned, a player requires all his cards to collect the pot.  I would only concede the pot in a cash game if I thought it was in my long term interests i.e. a beginner or a regular donator. 

It does my head in when people say that. You can win a pot in a cash game with ONE card if you like. If you've accidentaly mucked one somehow throughout the course of the hand, as long as you started with two.

Of course, you have to show all remaining cards to take a pot.

LOL