|
KingPoker
|
 |
« Reply #60 on: April 30, 2007, 02:34:40 AM » |
|
wow cant believe no mod stepped in on this "debate"!
jj- i agree with what mantis has contributed to this thread as it is the only sensible string of posts on here. You would have gained so much more from announcing his hand than just the money for 3rd place. He would never have been able to comment on a hand while at your table again as you could destroy him missing the only card that could hit to save him plus gain the respect from fellow players as they seemed to miss it aswell (frikking morons- wish this casino was close to me!)
I think i understand you asking for a ruling as you genuinely believed the mucking rule stood even in showdowns and you can in no way be called a cheat as you asked for a ruling from the TD. How many cheats do you know ask a TD to check out a hand ruling unless the TD is in on it aswell!
The only bit i am figuratively shaking my head in shame at is that you let him control your emotions!
Dont go beating yourself up about it,as long as you learn from the mistake and park your car away from the casino from now on!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Indestructable
|
|
« Reply #61 on: April 30, 2007, 06:30:48 AM » |
|
Dont go beating yourself up about it,as long as you learn from the mistake and park your car away from the casino from now on!
Sound advice.  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
ariston
|
|
« Reply #62 on: April 30, 2007, 11:30:59 AM » |
|
Dont go beating yourself up about it,as long as you learn from the mistake and park your car away from the casino from now on!
brilliant. Early contender for post of the week lol |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
ariston
better lucky than good
|
|
|
|
chippieleicester
|
|
« Reply #63 on: April 30, 2007, 11:48:26 AM » |
|
In normal circumstances i would give him the chips but i think justice was done he he he
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Its not over till the river
|
|
|
|
mjrevie
|
|
« Reply #64 on: April 30, 2007, 11:52:28 AM » |
|
I think i understand you asking for a ruling as you genuinely believed the mucking rule stood even in showdowns and you can in no way be called a cheat as you asked for a ruling from the TD. How many cheats do you know ask a TD to check out a hand ruling unless the TD is in on it aswell!
I agree with King Poker - I think its a bit harsh to call him a cheat. In this situation i would have given the player the pot cause i dont like confrontation and i dont play at high enough stakes that i'm willing to get into an argument about a pot, BUT, in this situation i would have maybe have ruled the same as the TD. From the posts, its quite clear that i'm wrong in thinking that, but that doesnt make me a cheat - especially if i call over a TD to get a ruling. And when people talk about live rules and etiquette, remember we have a generation of net players who dont neccessarily know them. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
tantrum
|
|
« Reply #65 on: April 30, 2007, 01:23:31 PM » |
|
Indie cheated in the quiz...  Kinboshi - See you in court  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
'Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is.'
Francis Bacon
|
|
|
|
kinboshi
|
|
« Reply #66 on: April 30, 2007, 01:42:24 PM » |
|
Indie cheated in the quiz... Kinboshi - See you in court Rather be judged by 12 than beaten by 13...  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
'The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.'
|
|
|
|
Digger
|
|
« Reply #67 on: April 30, 2007, 01:53:48 PM » |
|
Wow...this lit some blue touch paper eh!
I understand the situation you found yourself in here Lee.....but think you got it wrong this time, but your explanation is good enough for me. The best way to deal with this plonker would have been to remind him of all the help he needed in understanding hand values.
You a cheat......not in a million years IMO
Must say I've enjoyed the post.....ding ding.....round 10!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
'Some people think football is a matter of life and death....I can assure them it's more important than that' - Bill Shankley
'I am the greatest' - Ali
|
|
|
|
tantrum
|
|
« Reply #68 on: April 30, 2007, 02:29:39 PM » |
|
I check, Bob puts me all in for my last 5000 or so. Naturally I call. Cards on their backs, Bob droans 'I've been caught out'.... He has   Now for the juicy bit... River comes...  You might not be nasty but you obviously don't understand the concept of the 'showdown'. |
|
|
|
« Last Edit: April 30, 2007, 02:31:29 PM by tantrum »
|
Logged
|
'Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is.'
Francis Bacon
|
|
|
|
Acidmouse
|
|
« Reply #69 on: April 30, 2007, 02:29:45 PM » |
|
In the heat of the moment a few times playing live I have not realised I had won a hand, it happens alot. Just ask the BB4 winner who it happened to a few weeks ago at the local casino! he chopped a hand and walked away thinking he had lost  You claim the people at the table are all cheats if they saw it? You cant blame someone for not saying something esp if the geezer is a prick. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
ariston
|
|
« Reply #70 on: April 30, 2007, 02:35:22 PM » |
|
don't care what anyone says- anybody who would claim the pot when they know (and he did know) the other person won is a cheat. Would it be ok to "improve" your lie in the rough on the golf course if you were playing someone who was a prick? Would it be ok if you didn't get seen? I am surprised anyone can defend this as I would have thought most blondites were very fair and honest people. I am not saying he is a cheat who cheats all the time but in this circumstance he cheated and was backed up by an imbecile of a TD who didn't know the most basic of rules. He has yet to say wether he would do this again (if it ever happened again) just because the other bloke is a tool. If it was a nice old gentleman would he do it? no, so what he is saying is its ok to cheat somebody because they are an arse. Doesn't wash with me.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
ariston
better lucky than good
|
|
|
|
Acidmouse
|
|
« Reply #71 on: April 30, 2007, 03:39:54 PM » |
|
I wouldn't personally do it but you can understand why it was done. I would not however label them a cheat in the same way as moving your ball in golf.
But I guess everyone has their own different opinions.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
MANTIS01
|
|
« Reply #72 on: April 30, 2007, 03:40:59 PM » |
|
Posted by: ariston
He has yet to say wether he would do this again (if it ever happened again) Posted by: jjandellis
Knowing that this is the correct ruling then I would not do it again |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Tikay - "He has a proven track record in business, he is articulate, intelligent, & presents his cases well"
Claw75 - "Mantis is not only a blonde legend he's also very easy on the eye"
Outragous76 - "a really nice certainly intelligent guy"
taximan007 & Girgy85 & Celtic & Laxie - <3 Mantis
|
|
|
|
RioRodent
|
|
« Reply #73 on: April 30, 2007, 08:29:15 PM » |
|
Bad Karma... a powerful thing. jjandellis first out last night and 8th out in tonights APAT satellite!!!   |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Indestructable
|
|
« Reply #74 on: April 30, 2007, 08:46:09 PM » |
|
The golf analogy doesn't work. In the poker scenario outlined he asked the TD and the TD gave a ruling. If when playing golf you ask the "ref" if the rule is you can improve the lie and he says yes then how can you be cheating? The fact that both the player and the ref is wrong doesn't imply cheating.
One of these days there will be a simple rule book that you can refer to to preven these scenarios arising, but this has been a long time coming.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Author