Whomever is good at rulings please read....

[Paullie_D]

In the situation as described, call or pass.  Even in Snoop's heads-up you can expose scenario, I'm still NOT allowing a raise as I would rule there is clearly a difference between exposing card/s to obtain a read and exposing one's hand thinking the hand is over.

Here's one for you.  It's bubble time in a £1500 satellite and two players all in preflop, cards on backs showing AK v 66.  BEFORE dealing community cards young inexperienced dealer decides to pull players hands closer to her.  In doing so, the 6's clip the muck.  Dealer then deals out hand and AK fails to improve.  On completion of the hand Mr AK announces, "those 6's are dead, they touched the muck."

Please rule.....

For exposing one's hand the TDA Rule 31 applies:

A player who exposes his cards with action pending may incur a penalty, but will not have a dead hand.  The penalty will begin at the end of the hand.

Also Rule 1

Floor people are to consider the best interest of the game and fairness as the top priority in the decision-making process.  Unusual circumstances can on occasion dictate that decisions in the interest of fairness take priority over the technical rules.  The floor person’s decision is final.

As I see it, you would be allowed to call or raise as your hand is live. However, the TD may only allow a call for the sake of fairness,

For the second example...Rule 29 applies.

Dealers cannot kill a winning hand that was tabled and was obviously the winning hand.  Players are encouraged to assist in reading tabled hands if it appears that an error is about to be made.

Tell AK boy to take a flying leap!

[TightEnd]

For exposing one's hand the TDA Rule 31 applies:
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well, it depends where you are playing...

[portfolio]

In the situation as described, call or pass.  Even in Snoop's heads-up you can expose scenario, I'm still NOT allowing a raise as I would rule there is clearly a difference between exposing card/s to obtain a read and exposing one's hand thinking the hand is over.

Here's one for you.  It's bubble time in a £1500 satellite and two players all in preflop, cards on backs showing AK v 66.  BEFORE dealing community cards young inexperienced dealer decides to pull players hands closer to her.  In doing so, the 6's clip the muck.  Dealer then deals out hand and AK fails to improve.  On completion of the hand Mr AK announces, "those 6's are dead, they touched the muck."

Please rule.....

car park the s o b .

[Rookie (Rodney)]

In the situation as described, call or pass.  Even in Snoop's heads-up you can expose scenario, I'm still NOT allowing a raise as I would rule there is clearly a difference between exposing card/s to obtain a read and exposing one's hand thinking the hand is over.

Here's one for you.  It's bubble time in a £1500 satellite and two players all in preflop, cards on backs showing AK v 66.  BEFORE dealing community cards young inexperienced dealer decides to pull players hands closer to her.  In doing so, the 6's clip the muck.  Dealer then deals out hand and AK fails to improve.  On completion of the hand Mr AK announces, "those 6's are dead, they touched the muck."

Please rule.....

car park the s o b .

LOL, just what i  had going through my head!

[TightEnd]

behave Rodders!

[Karabiner]

In the situation as described, call or pass.  Even in Snoop's heads-up you can expose scenario, I'm still NOT allowing a raise as I would rule there is clearly a difference between exposing card/s to obtain a read and exposing one's hand thinking the hand is over.

Here's one for you.  It's bubble time in a £1500 satellite and two players all in preflop, cards on backs showing AK v 66.  BEFORE dealing community cards young inexperienced dealer decides to pull players hands closer to her.  In doing so, the 6's clip the muck.  Dealer then deals out hand and AK fails to improve.  On completion of the hand Mr AK announces, "those 6's are dead, they touched the muck."

Please rule.....

Give the angle-shooter a slap....

[The Sweeney]

Lol, yeah I told him to go forth and multiply.  So he went to the GM who told him much the same, though probably in a nicer manner.

[KingPoker]

Me four

awww how sweet - and did you have a party with lots of jelly and ice cream? Did all your other 4 year old friends come too?

Up Yours!

He means me IQ of 4 but he forgot a few words

GFY!

[fearisthekey]

I like it when someone raises, like 1500, and the dealer spins in my direction, points at me, and says '1500 to play'.
Was in a similar situation with a drunk dealer, the sb mumbled a small raise, i saw a call, raised a bit, dealer went nuts at me for not raising the right amount.
Dealers should have responsibility for making these actions clear, room otherwise for angle shooters to go 'pmmbpff gays tritundered' and put some chips in, knowing you may not notice if they're 4 seats away and to your side.

[phatomch]

IN Grosvenor's your hand would be dead because you have shown your cards with action still to happen. It does not make any difference if you are head's up or first hand of a mtt.

If you happen to expose one hole card accidently then you have the option to call or pass only and cannot reraise on theat street.

The difference is if it was accidental or not.

[Longines]

IN Grosvenor's your hand would be dead because you have shown your cards with action still to happen.

When I accidently flipped both my hole cards after the flop at Walsall recently, the ruling was I could check/call to the river but not raise.

[Royal Flush]

When I accidently flipped both my hole cards after the flop at Walsall recently, the ruling was I could check/call to the river but not raise.

The difference is if it was accidental or not.

[Longines]

I know but phat's post started off by saying the OP's hand (which was an accidental exposure of both hole cards) would be ruled dead. His last two sentences then just introduced ambiguity about one card and/or intent.

I just wanted to provide a counter example to his first sentence.

[thedadi]

<< agree with Paullie_D above^. fairness 2 the game above black&white rules. bit like offsides, or if a team should be deducted points for fielding illegible players!!??