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TightEnd
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Ruling please!
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May 29, 2007, 02:21:50 PM »
I am on this table, as it happens I am the BB
blinds 100-200
Player 1 limps UTG
Player 2 limps in MP
SB folds
BB checks
700 in pot
flop
BB checks
Player 1 checks
Player 2 bets 500
BB folds
Player 1 calls
1700 in pot
turn
Player 1 bets 1500
Player 2 goes all in for 1600
Player 1 calls the 100 extra
4900 in pot
At the conclusion of the hand it is a split pot
Player 1...not the dealer though it is a self deal comp, goes to split the pot
Hands Player 2 2000 chips
Player 2 complains, explains there has been a mistake
Player 1 refuses to accept this
Player 2, with help from the self dealer and the bb, goes through the betting round by round
Player 1 still cannot accept he has made a mistake
The floor is called, they pause the clock for the whole comp and send the players on a short break, go off to check the camera
Floor comes back "Sorry we cannot see clearly on the camera, people's heads are in the way"
The ruling is that as the size of the pot cannot be verified that an extra 500 chip is brought into the competition and given to Player 2 so that he now has circa the right amount of chips for a split pot from the size of the pot he and all players apart from Player 1 agree on.
I kid you not.
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Paullie_D
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Re: Ruling please!
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May 29, 2007, 02:33:13 PM »
On the face of it, utterly ridiculous....BUT, if all the players except P1 agree on the size of the pot then P2 cannot, really, be penalised because the other player is a muppet. The TD seems to have acted in the best interest of the game and fairness.
In fact the only player to 'benefit' is P1 as he now has more chips than he should.
No doubt he was carparked later on!
If anyone is at fault, it's the 'dealer' for letting P1 get into splitting the pot. That's the problem with self-dealt...the 'dealer' is usually just the person handing out the cards rather than acting a 'DEALER'
per se
. (If you see what I mean).
In my experience, few card-chuckers have adequate knowledge of the rules and experience in the game to act as a 'dealer'. A good reason to educate oneself in the basic rules.
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Re: Ruling please!
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May 29, 2007, 02:36:39 PM »
Quote from: TightEnd on May 29, 2007, 02:21:50 PM
I am on this table, as it happens I am the BB
blinds 100-200
Player 1 limps UTG
Player 2 limps in MP
SB folds
BB checks
700 in pot
flop
BB checks
Player 1 checks
Player 2 bets 500
BB folds
Player 1 calls
1700 in pot
turn
Player 1 bets 1500
Player 2 goes all in for 1600
Player 1 calls the 100 extra
4900 in pot
At the conclusion of the hand it is a split pot
Player 1...not the dealer though it is a self deal comp, goes to split the pot
Hands Player 2 2000 chips
Player 2 complains, explains there has been a mistake
Player 1 refuses to accept this
Player 2, with help from the self dealer and the bb, goes through the betting round by round
Player 1 still cannot accept he has made a mistake
The floor is called, they pause the clock for the whole comp and send the players on a short break, go off to check the camera
Floor comes back "Sorry we cannot see clearly on the camera, people's heads are in the way"
The ruling is that as the size of the pot cannot be verified that an extra 500 chip is brought into the competition and given to Player 2 so that he now has circa the right amount of chips for a split pot from the size of the pot he and all players apart from Player 1 agree on.
I kid you not.
Pure madness!
It should not have even got to needing a ruling! Let alone an appalling decision to add extra chips to the comp!
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May 29, 2007, 02:40:03 PM »
How does one avoid it reaching the stage where a ruling is required when P1 refuses to accept the opinion of the remainder of the table?
(obviously allowing for the fact that he has taken it upon himself to split the pot, clearly this should not have been him doing this)
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Re: Ruling please!
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May 29, 2007, 03:06:39 PM »
I hate having cameras in the cardroom, the purpose of them is not to try and recreate a hand, they are there for other reasons. IMO the TD is very weak by allowing a decision to go to the cameras. If he made a decision there and then after listening to all players this would not have happened (Is player 1 a good roulette punter?) Now any decision that needs to be made against someone will result in Chaos, all the players will do now is ask to see the camera, and hold the whole comp up again, hoping that the evidence is not viewable.
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Re: Ruling please!
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May 29, 2007, 04:19:20 PM »
Quote from: TightEnd on May 29, 2007, 02:40:03 PM
How does one avoid it reaching the stage where a ruling is required when P1 refuses to accept the opinion of the remainder of the table?
Can I ask, which part was P1 disagreeing with? The size of the bets on each round??
If thats the case, depending on the reputation of the dealer and yourself with the TD, i'm surprised he didnt just take the chips off of P1 and tell him to shut up.
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May 29, 2007, 04:39:16 PM »
Was disgusting Tighty.
He is a heavy donator in cash games, so I would not want him banned.
If he wasnt such, I would say ban them.
Out and Out cheat.
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May 29, 2007, 04:45:36 PM »
Quote from: M3boy on May 29, 2007, 04:39:16 PM
He is a heavy donator in cash games, so I would not want him banned.
If he wasnt such, I would say ban them.
that should be irrelevant, if someone needs banning (in whatever instance) I don't care if they are a winner/loser/roulette player/husband of a director whatever...its irrelevant
as to the objection...P1 disagreed with the amount in the pot pre-flop and the amount in the pot at the end
I was disappointed the TD did not take further action, and the use of cameras to me was a "cop out"
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May 29, 2007, 04:46:52 PM »
cme on then guys name n shame
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May 29, 2007, 04:48:15 PM »
Quote from: inthebelly on May 29, 2007, 04:46:52 PM
cme on then guys name n shame
no need, its the principles and the correct ruling that interests me
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Re: Ruling please!
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May 29, 2007, 04:48:27 PM »
Quote from: M3boy on May 29, 2007, 04:39:16 PM
Was disgusting Tighty.
He is a heavy donator in cash games, so I would not want him banned.
If he wasnt such, I would say ban them.
Out and Out cheat.
you guys didnt see the half of it
player 1 makes it to the final big chip leader
he gets talked into doing a saver 4-way gtd £800 for all remaining players winner takes the rest
player 1 then knocks out a player in 4th place and says he doesnt want to do the deal anymore
the comp is again stopped while it is explained to him that once a deal is agreed by all players it cannot change unless all players agree
yes player 1 is a big roulette player and magic in the cash games but he is also new to poker and although might of been pulling a stroke is actually a nice fella
he has never been in this spot before no defence i know
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Re: Ruling please!
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May 29, 2007, 04:51:44 PM »
Quote from: TightEnd on May 29, 2007, 04:48:15 PM
Quote from: inthebelly on May 29, 2007, 04:46:52 PM
cme on then guys name n shame
no need, its the principles and the correct ruling that interests me
yeah but its the name that interests me
gotta make sure whose fingers to chop off when i see them in the pot next time i get a split!
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May 29, 2007, 04:53:55 PM »
I'll send you a photofit.
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Quote from: TightEnd on May 29, 2007, 04:53:55 PM
I'll send you a photofit.
nice one
is he a big f#ck#r?
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May 29, 2007, 04:57:11 PM »
Quote from: inthebelly on May 29, 2007, 04:55:12 PM
Quote from: TightEnd on May 29, 2007, 04:53:55 PM
I'll send you a photofit.
nice one
is he a big f#ck#r?
I'll send him to Leighton Buzzard on Fridays. Open invitation I'm sure.
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