Big Brother 8

[Jim-D]

 Nothing was said about the women chasing the bloke round trying to rip his shorts off was it? Imagine if 8 blokes had chased a lone female round trying to remove her bikini bottoms- the gallows would already be out.

I remember thinking that excact same thing when i saw it

[AdamM]

I have plenty rap music on my ipod and why is it ok for black people to sing about niggers and whores

we don'tall think that's ok but that's a different issue.

[Jon MW]

I had a meeting a few weeks ago with the woman who leads on equalities for the NHS in my area. I said that I didnt want to get into the 'nitty gritty' on a certain subject. she told me that I should not say this as it has racist connotations:( you could have knocked me down with a feather. this has been part of my vocab for as long as I can remeber and i never ever knew there were issues with the term??

I need to try and not use it again incase it offends anyone..............................................Would any of you have thought this was racist?

This was niggling me so I had to find out.

It has been suggested that Nitty Gritty referred to the unimportant debris left at the bottom of slave ships after voyages - this was extended to include the slaves themselves.

However - their is no real evidence to support this, so I'm sure you'll be pleased to know that you can carry on using the phrase 'nitty gritty' without being racist.

That was a summary - this article gives a more thorough explanation: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/nitty-gritty.html

Edit: interesting - best not use the term 'denigrate' though - http://search.japantimes.co.jp/member/member.html?ed20020609a1.htm

[Jon MW]

More importantly:

              aren't the twins just unbelievably cute

I've had ideas about who I liked or not, but I'm coming around to the conclusion that the twins may well be the least irritating of all of them.

[ACE2M]

More importantly:

              aren't the twins just unbelievably cute

I've had ideas about who I liked or not, but I'm coming around to the conclusion that the twins may well be the least irritating of all of them.

guy at work was/is going out with one of the twins and he got offered 8k but the ex of the other twin did a 20k deal so he's holding out...

[Jim-D]

More importantly:

              aren't the twins just unbelievably cute

I've had ideas about who I liked or not, but I'm coming around to the conclusion that the twins may well be the least irritating of all of them.

Now that is some statement!

[Ironside]

i felt tonight that one of the twins was getting peed off with her sister always jumping in when she was trying to say something

cant say which as i still cant work out who is who even when they are called by names

no way the twins can win though they will split each others votes and no one can work out which one to vote for

[AdamM]

I've got the twins in a last longerg bet against Carol. close one that.

Are they running one contestant?

[AndrewT]

They've sent another nutter in.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4080192.stm

[Sark79]

I am the only one who hates that new geezer with the long hair.  Where do they get these people?   

[crip17]

lol that new geezer seany is a friend of my sisters.  They all new he was going in the bb house though when he disappeared 6 weeks ago and when his friends phoned his mother she said he was away on holiday.  But didnt seem to tell any of his friends of this holiday.  lol

[londonpokergirl]

lol that new geezer seany is a friend of my sisters.  They all new he was going in the bb house though when he disappeared 6 weeks ago and when his friends phoned his mother she said he was away on holiday.  But didnt seem to tell any of his friends of this holiday.  lol

6 weeks before!!!  OMG  so in theory they're held captured for months and months, poor buggers
Don't know how anybody could live in that house without going mad

[bobby1]

Very clever by Channel 4,being a cynic you could say that the celeb show was dying on its feet until the racism stuff kicked off towards the end, so this time they are leaving nothing to chance and are making sure that they get the rascist controversy in early to maximise their veiwing figures........i wonder how many similar incidents happened in previous shows that didnt make the screen until ch 4 discovered how easy it was to get viewers?

[thetank]

Another great thread.
The lady who dropped the 'n' word, I feel for her.

I don't think she's a racist, but she has been incredibly foolish/naive. To clear her name of the former, she has to admit to the latter.

From what I understand of her personality, she is the type who recently aced her A level English, and thinks this makes her the dog's bollox.
(The type of person who thinks it's big and clever to use the words former and latter perhaps?)

My point is, intellectual vanity seems to be just as important to her as regular vanity. Admitting that she might have acted unitelligently may be almost as damaging to her psyche as having the media brand her a hater.

I'm assuming everyone in her life has told her how clever she is. She goes onto the grand stage of big brother, and expects the nation to think the same. She ends up being remembered only for doing something daft, it must be tough.

[nirvana]

She clearly liked Charlie, was impressed by her and tried to connect on some kind of street level (marginally stereotyping the chav Charlie).  She was not separating herself from her on the basis of race or colour - how anyone could see her remarks as racist or offensive surprises me, maybe cause I'm white. For a white person to genunely feel offended I think they need to be going through a 'Deathofdianaempathocryalot' moment.

I can completely see how an older black person, who will have genuinely experienced, touched & felt overt racism for a good part of their lives in this country could easily be offended by just the word, irrespective of context.

I was at a wedding last week, in Hendon, got talking to the, maybe 70 year old, father of the bride. Seeking common ground I mentioned I used to live in Burnt Oak in the late 70's.  Burnt Oak is quite a rough part of London, Graham Park estate back in the 70s was a very white, very rough, kinda brutal place - very chavvy in today's terms.

I asked him how he preferred life in Northampton where he now lived. I've never spent any time in Northampton but I expected stock replies along the lines that it was a bit more genteel, less rough, more peaceful than Burnt Oak. Instead he mentioned that he'd been to Burnt Oak earlier in the day and it confirmed that he got out in the nick of time before the place had become completely overrun by - we'll use the term foreigners of colour. It was quite vitriolic. This to me is an example of the true latent racism that is a problem - and it aint just generational - it gets passed down, though I think it is fair to say it is becoming watered down with time.

What do you say in these circumstances ?

I muttered something pathetic along the lines of not quite seeing things that way but didn't challenge, exchanged a pleasantry and moved on.

It was his Daughter's wedding, she is a friend so I think I did the right thing. It made me feel bad though and I guess I'm writing to get it off my chest. Also to see how other people handle situations like this - ie challenge/try to educate without sounding like a big pompous over PC ass ?