It took me an hour to calm down !

[DTD-ACES]

Think about this , would you check a made full house then flat call a bet on the river when your opponent has 3000 left to your 25000 and also the other pot was over 20,000 before the turn , she had 1600 , he had 25,000 , this is an automatic bet on the turn if she checks but he checked out of turn twice . He clearly did not want to knock these two ladies out , this is totally unethical especially when there are 7 left , 4 go through and three are short stacked and if he played correctly they could have won a seat .

As i left immediately i don't know what happened next .

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[tikay]

He checked OUT OF TURN twice?

DEFINITELY grounds for disqualification, as it's clearly obvious as to his purpose.

Look at it how you like. This is cheating.

[vampitup]

I presume this was a dealer dealt final?

Some of the Southampton dealers do the big Grosvenor events, which if they let this go on makes it even more unethical.

[dik9]

Soft play is very hard to argue against as Yogi says at what point is it soft play and at what point do WE in OUR opinion call it as such.
If you havent got the nuts, then there is always an arguemenst against it. I have yellow carded 2 players last week for what I deemed to be soft play. A (respected) player who had got the bollox to stand up and call me over accused 2 players of doing this, whilst the cards were still on the table. The dealer was asked and explained to me how the betting went. All factors were taken into consideration, and I deemed this as "soft play". Both players were warned that if either player was seen to "soft play" in the future, however long, they will be barred from the cardroom.
The other point is checking out of turn, not only was this checking out of turn, this was checking before the card was dealt. Quote Simon, " so with 20,800 in the pot and his opponent obviously on a draw the chip leader looks straight at her and checks before the turn card is dealt " This indicates that there was definately "soft play" happening as the pot was so large. Checking out of turn is an offence, "checking it out" is CHEATING!!
BOTH players even the one who did not check out of turn would be warned, the offending checker may well get 'd.

[tikay]

dik9 - you yellow carded two players for soft play?

Wow! A big up to you - SIR!

At last, someone prepared to do something about it. I can hardly recall any other such action.

I really hope your Cardroom - The Broadway - gets the success your bravery deserves.

Lets large it up for dik9. Our Hero of the Week.

[dik9]

Thank you Tikay. LOL But as I say, who am I to decide whether they were playing together, if I was any good at the game I would be a player!! LOL. Seriously though there were a number of factors, not just the cards, which caused me to make this decision. And it wasn't taken lightly, it really played on my concience (for about 4 seconds).

[ifm]

i once palyed in a final 3 handed with a pal of mine and matey boy, i was severely short stacked and my pal was chipleader by a mile.
after a few rounds 3 handed i get a text message, i look and it's my pal from the other end of the table!!
it said something along the lines of "go allin on my blind and i'll fold", i actually thought this was funny for reasons i could explain but suffice to say i didn't believe him, anyway i think my NEXT hand was AJ and i went allin, my pal called and knocked me out!!
It was funny
though no cheating or colluding was even remotely happening.

[Yogi-Bear]

Out of Turn checking.

Naughty naughty, I really shud read these things better.



Yogi

[rivered]

ditto hehe

[Simon Galloway]

Well I finally got around to registering - not bad in 6 months!!

A question for the cardroom-manager-types out there:

Recently playing final 2 tables of a live tourny, as we get down to 2 tables of 6 what started as a suspicion started to become blatently obvious.  3 locals were giving each other a walk whilst combining a continual assualt on the other 3 blinds at the table.  Realising I was on a table of death, I took my only course of action which was to shovel it in and try and break players to get to the final 9.  I managed to do this, but clearly having to take more risk in doing so than I would like.

So, as a cardroom manager, how many rounds would that pattern have to be maintained for you to be satisfied that you could make a soft play ruling with confidence?

[tikay]

Simon - got you, at last!

Welcome to blonde, I'm so glad you joined. Your early comments to me personally (at Luton, I seem to recall) were greatly appreciated, & I was hoping you'd come on board, you have much to offer.

[TightEnd]

Simon, welcome to Blonde. at last. I welcomed earlier on your own thread!

did this happen in a GP qualifier? If so, please let me know, as I am compiling information to approach Grosvenor after seperate episodes...

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[Simon Galloway]

Richard,
On my own thread?  Did I have one of those??  Blimey.

Anyway, it was at Luton, but not a GP qualifier.  I went on to have more trouble at the final too when there was a nasty fold to an underraise (where even the 3rd stooge was embarrased) and I pulled the dealer on it.  Was told it would be watched.  I confronted them about it a few weeks later before the start of a tourny and their best line of defence was "it is worse elsewhere."

Tikay,
Glad to see things have been going from strength to strength, surprised that you even remembered our conversation, let alone taken anything useful from it!!    Not sure how much I will have to offer as I am fast turning into a poker hermit - I am not getting out there and playing as much as I would like to this year, but we shall see...

All the best,

Simon.

[tikay]

Remember the conversation? Of COURSE I do.

Adjacent the cafe/bar area, near the double doors at the top of the stairs, you came up to me & introduced yourself. I recall thinking, "wow, he came & spoke to ME". Truly. These days, of course, I charge for introductions........

[ksollis]

down to 2 tables, after the break a very stong warning to players that we want a fair game and  if there is any more collution then they will be thrown out of the competiiton. after a player was checking  a full house out to keep his friend in, just one example of very poor sportmanship.we know its hard to prove but the man in question never failed to raise when he had a hand against any other player as he was  chip leader