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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2007, 12:52:42 PM »



Prize plonker.




how much of the table antics are "contrived" by someone aware of their possible impact on opponents, is is he a real idiot?

I look back at McEnroe, for example, and the vast majority of the antics were for show, or if not to pysche himself up.

Now McEnroe is lauded and much missed in an era of robots, personality wise

History will presumably look kinder on Hellmuth than contemporary analysis of his character suggests....?

Don't mind his table antics one bit.  In fact, I find them quite endearing at times.  It's away from the table where his behaviour is suspect (IMHO). 
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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2007, 12:55:04 PM »



Prize plonker.




how much of the table antics are "contrived" by someone aware of their possible impact on opponents, is is he a real idiot?

I look back at McEnroe, for example, and the vast majority of the antics were for show, or if not to pysche himself up.

Now McEnroe is lauded and much missed in an era of robots, personality wise

History will presumably look kinder on Hellmuth than contemporary analysis of his character suggests....?

Don't mind his table antics one bit.  In fact, I find them quite endearing at times.  It's away from the table where his behaviour is suspect (IMHO). 

Agreed. Love his table talk and antics that goes on. Guy is a legend.
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« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2007, 01:13:10 PM »

this makes me happy. but only because he's in my fantasy team. the bloke's a *******.







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« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2007, 01:36:24 PM »



Prize plonker.




how much of the table antics are "contrived" by someone aware of their possible impact on opponents, is is he a real idiot?

I look back at McEnroe, for example, and the vast majority of the antics were for show, or if not to pysche himself up.

Now McEnroe is lauded and much missed in an era of robots, personality wise

History will presumably look kinder on Hellmuth than contemporary analysis of his character suggests....?

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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2007, 01:40:41 PM »


 no doubt a complex character , good job he is married to a psychiatrist , he is without doubt though a great player.

 sometimes acts a bit like a spoilt brat but he is one of my favourite players
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« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2007, 02:00:09 PM »

I watched about the first two hours of this final table, before my internet went down and Hellmuth was in complete control. The only person who was going to trouble him was Scott Clements, once he'd gone it was all over.

As an aside, I too have had the pleasure of interviewing Phil and have to say it was an experience i'll never forget. It took place on the outside of his penthouse suite in Aruba (obv a brag post, a few journos had been flown out to cover the event) and like Barry said he was fond of reminding you how good he was, going as far to say that he felt he wasn't using all his powers (so he donated a bunch of money to charity) and that if he used all his powers it'd be unfair lol. But, he was also very respectful of other players. I asked him who else he thought would get to 10 bracelets and he mentioned: Seidel, Ivey and Cunnigham as the three he thought would go double figures. Phil also quoted 24 as the number he'd like to win.

The UB reps managed to get us jobsworths invited to Phil's penthouse party - the only drink Don P obv - we arrive about 11pm and expect the place to be rocking, instead there are a handful of people sitting about, the main event at this party is a serious game of Trivial Pursuit between Annie Duke and friends and PokerHo and friends - who btw do not know what the capital of Belguim is - it really was a lol moment at how dead this supposed party was. Say what you like about annoying american internet players but at least they know how to party (edit: drink) - see here: http://tinyurl.com/23zgrg
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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2007, 02:01:22 PM »

You also have to remember that he can tell if you're bluffing like he's reading your mind.  Remember on that Channel 4 documentary £50 says You’ll Watch This, when he got 5 out of 10 of Hardeep's statements correct.  Almost telepathic.

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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2007, 03:22:59 PM »

Helmuth's been acting the clown for years! Obviously part of it is his character, but he has caricatured himself out of all proportion for self promotion reasons and done it superbly. He's pretty much the first name every TV show wants on their poker show playing their big freerolls now, his extra-curricular poker interests have been really successful, he's marketed himself superbly and people still take him 100% seriously when he's largely pissing around with his antics now.

Above all though, he's one of the best tournament players of all time, consistent over a long period, and will go down in history as a great. I admit Helmuth's snotty arrogance got on my nerves the first time i saw him on tv on LNP, but over the years I've come to think the guy is brilliant at manipulating people and can read tournament poker hands like few others.

Great for poker he takes down no 11.

 
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« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2007, 04:54:24 PM »

And those results in full...

http://www.blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/10384
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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2007, 05:36:12 PM »

Has he ever won a bracelet in a poker game other than hold em? That would be the mark of a legend IMHO
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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2007, 05:38:53 PM »

Has he ever won a bracelet in a poker game other than hold em? That would be the mark of a legend IMHO

No, All 11 have been in HE

Still a fantastic achievment
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« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2007, 05:43:27 PM »

Has he ever won a bracelet in a poker game other than hold em? That would be the mark of a legend IMHO

He's a one trick pony but its some trick  Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2007, 06:14:31 PM »

Has he ever won a bracelet in a poker game other than hold em? That would be the mark of a legend IMHO

He's a one trick pony but its some trick  Smiley

Sums it up, the best holdem tournament player
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« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2007, 06:25:18 PM »

Cracking result, but still cant stand the bloke.
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« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2007, 06:50:16 PM »

Has he ever won a bracelet in a poker game other than hold em? That would be the mark of a legend IMHO

He's a one trick pony but its some trick  Smiley

Sums it up, the best holdem tournament player

He is a flash in the pan
the word legend is used too easily these days
wait till he has been winning comps all over the world for years and years before we describe him as a legend
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