Hellmuth, the guy is a legend

[KingPoker]

You should watch the poker documentry on Unger on PokerTube, I have no doubt he was the best ever after watching that. His % of wins in big tourneys will never be matched. Even though the numbers were lower then, you get alot more fish these days.

I disagree, surely the resources there are now for players, means they become better players in a much shorter period of time. Maybe not world class, but at least knowledgable (Sp?) on the fundamentals.

Im not saying stu unger wasnt the best but its very hard to say he is as his premature departure from this world put a spanner in the works on being able to judge that.
Arguably he is the most naturally skilled poker player there ever has been but hellmuth actually as the bracelets to back his ability up!

[lucky_scrote]

Hellmuth is my fav poker player, the guy cracks me up every time.

[Royal Flush]

lol Unger ran hot. Sample size is so small! And he was playing at a time when people had no idea what they were doing, Phil on the other hand has been on top of the game for years, whilst coming up against truly tough fields.

[The Baron]

lol Unger ran hot. Sample size is so small! And he was playing at a time when people had no idea what they were doing, Phil on the other hand has been on top of the game for years, whilst coming up against truly tough fields.

Agree totally. Unger's first world title was only his second hold'em tournament in his life. Fact is, back then not many understood tournament hold'em like fields do today.

Unger is a bit of an unknown quantity to be honest. To say he is/was better than Hellmuth is pure speculation.

[tikay]

Anyone know how many WSOP Bracelet Events Hellmuth has played?

[Acidmouse]

You can't really compare 20 years ago and dismiss a players achievements by saying people didn't know what they were doing then, its all relative.

Any person who stands out in any given era means there a special player.

[The Baron]

You can't really compare 20 years ago and dismiss a players achievements by saying people didnt know what they were doing then, its all relative.

Any person who stands out at whatever year means there a special player.

I don't think anyone can dismiss Ungar's achievements. I think you can compare though. Would you rather have 5 bracelets from the 80's or 3 from the 21st century?

For me Hellmuth has surpassed Ungar.

[bolt pp]

You can't really compare 20 years ago and dismiss a players achievements by saying people didnt know what they were doing then, its all relative.

Any person who stands out at whatever year means there a special player.

Would you rather have 5 bracelets from the 80's or 3 from the 21st century?

poker used to be out earning money, winning money, turning a profit, making a living, i'd opt for the latter in your question but only because of the monetary differential.

i'd sell the bracelets afterwards as well, who gives a shit, whos going to walk around wearing one of those things, as a piece of jewellery they look shit and everyone knows you one the tourney.

[KingPoker]

You can't really compare 20 years ago and dismiss a players achievements by saying people didnt know what they were doing then, its all relative.

Any person who stands out at whatever year means there a special player.

Would you rather have 5 bracelets from the 80's or 3 from the 21st century?

poker used to be out earning money, winning money, turning a profit, making a living, i'd opt for the latter in your question but only because of the monetary differential.

i'd sell the bracelets afterwards as well, who gives a shit, whos going to walk around wearing one of those things, as a piece of jewellery they look shit and everyone knows you one the tourney.

I think the only person i have seen who they suit is raymer, dont know why!

[Pelham Boy]

Anyone know how many WSOP Bracelet Events Hellmuth has played?

I don't know how many,but he plays a lot of them every year.
I read an article about a year ago on the subject of the number he played,i cant remember who it was by,possibly Johnny Chan.

If all of Hellmuth's bracelets are for NLHE am i right in saying that Ivey has NO bracelets in NLHE?

[KingPoker]

Anyone know how many WSOP Bracelet Events Hellmuth has played?

I don't know how many,but he plays a lot of them every year.
I read an article about a year ago on the subject of the number he played,i cant remember who it was by,possibly Johnny Chan.

If all of Hellmuth's bracelets are for NLHE am i right in saying that Ivey has NO bracelets in NLHE?

yeh it was johnny chan, think he was saying imagine how many bracelets i could have won if i played just about every event like hellmuth!

[Pelham Boy]

Anyone know how many WSOP Bracelet Events Hellmuth has played?

I don't know how many,but he plays a lot of them every year.
I read an article about a year ago on the subject of the number he played,i cant remember who it was by,possibly Johnny Chan.

If all of Hellmuth's bracelets are for NLHE am i right in saying that Ivey has NO bracelets in NLHE?

yeh it was johnny chan, think he was saying imagine how many bracelets i could have won if i played just about every event like hellmuth!

Yeah that was the one.

Has he got a point?

[77dave]

Anyone know how many WSOP Bracelet Events Hellmuth has played?

i have no idea how many wsop events he has bought into but he has cashed a record 58 times

so no matter how many events he has played cashing 58 times is a very impressive feat especially in going to to win 11 times
i also believe he is 2nd in all time final table apperances

[kinboshi]

Anyone know how many WSOP Bracelet Events Hellmuth has played?

I don't know how many,but he plays a lot of them every year.
I read an article about a year ago on the subject of the number he played,i cant remember who it was by,possibly Johnny Chan.

If all of Hellmuth's bracelets are for NLHE am i right in saying that Ivey has NO bracelets in NLHE?

yeh it was johnny chan, think he was saying imagine how many bracelets i could have won if i played just about every event like hellmuth!

Yeah that was the one.

Has he got a point?

Yes, you've got to be in it to win it.

[KingPoker]

Anyone know how many WSOP Bracelet Events Hellmuth has played?

I don't know how many,but he plays a lot of them every year.
I read an article about a year ago on the subject of the number he played,i cant remember who it was by,possibly Johnny Chan.

If all of Hellmuth's bracelets are for NLHE am i right in saying that Ivey has NO bracelets in NLHE?

yeh it was johnny chan, think he was saying imagine how many bracelets i could have won if i played just about every event like hellmuth!

Yeah that was the one.

Has he got a point?

Anyone know how many WSOP Bracelet Events Hellmuth has played?

I don't know how many,but he plays a lot of them every year.
I read an article about a year ago on the subject of the number he played,i cant remember who it was by,possibly Johnny Chan.

If all of Hellmuth's bracelets are for NLHE am i right in saying that Ivey has NO bracelets in NLHE?

yeh it was johnny chan, think he was saying imagine how many bracelets i could have won if i played just about every event like hellmuth!

Yeah that was the one.

Has he got a point?

Yes, you've got to be in it to win it.

well, yes as kin says you cant win unless you enter but i dont think johnny can say i would have been on 15 bracelets by now if i had played just about every single one! You have to prove it, not hypothesise!