Rasing Question (following a ruling)

[redsimon]

i wanna know why on crytpo if a player in the big blind doesn't have enough to cover it the rest of the table only has to call what he has, deeply unfair.
i.e.
SB 150
BB 300 but only has 160
next players only have to call 160 to see a flop!!
It's wrong wrong wrong!!

poorly designed software

[AwesomeAli]

poorly designed software

You can say that again,  I still can't play there.  Got money in there but might as well cash out.

[redsimon]

poorly designed software

You can say that again, 

Poorly designed software 

"touch wood" its been working for me since i downloaded WH again last night

[Phil]

Phil...

Nice to know you believed my ruling ido sometimes know what i'm doing you know

Was just double checking! I seem to have been playing it wrong in my home game for years, so from now on i'll take your rulings as gospel!  Promise...

[AdamM]

sorry, I'm probably being thick here.

example
blinds are 50/100
I raise to 500
are we saying minimum raise is +100 to 600?

or I make it 500, player 2 goes 1000 player 3 can go 1000 + 100 = 1100?

I know they're ridiculous bets but you get asked all sorts of daft questions dealing beginners nights.

re-reading the thread is it
50/100
I raise 400 to 500 total so minimum re-raise is 500+400 to 900 and re-re-raise 900+400 to 1300

and

I go 100+400 to 500, 2nd player 500+500 to 1000, 3rd player now has to go 1000+500 to 1500?

[Longy]

My understanding Adam is that if you make it 500 preflop, that raise is made up of a call of 100 and a raise of 400, 100 with 400. So the raise is 400.

Player 2 if he/she wants to raise they can make it a minimum of 900 (calling your 500 and then raising 400, doubling your raise)

Player 3 then can make it up to a minimum of 1300, 400 more on top of the 900.

This is preflop as in affect the first bet is the big blinds 100.

[AdamM]

what about example 2 where player two chooses to go 500 + 500. whats player 3's raise

[Phil]

From what I understand I make Longy right.

[Longy]

Um yes example 2 looks fine Adam the 2nd player would have to make it up to 1500 total as the min raise is 500 as player 2 made it 500 with 500.

[dik9]

I think I have lost the will to live..!!!

Apart from the small blind, and an under raise. Whatever it is to call is the minimum raise. The small blinds minimum raise is a big blind after the blind has been made up. Is that complicated??

[Sheriff Fatman]

Right, my thoughts.......

Say blinds are 100/200.  Default minimum bet increment to begin with is the amount of the big blind, so 200 here.

1st player's minimum raise is 200 chips.  This remains the case until the bet increment is increased by a player, at which point this becomes the new minimum bet increment for subsequent betting on that round.

e.g  UTG makes it 400 to go (the min-raise), next player now chooses to make it 800 to play.  The minimum bet increment has now increased to 400, so the next player to act would then have to make it 1200 to go as a min-raise.

After the betting round is complete the default bet on the next round would then revert to the amount of the big blind initially, until the action of a player on that round caused this to increase.

As for under-raises......

In no-limit poker, nothing but a full bet can be re-raised (NB: the rule is different in limit poker) so to set up Malc M's example:

100/200 blinds.  Player 1 (UTG) limps with AA, player 2 makes it 500 to go (bet increment now 300), player 3 goes all-in for 550.  All fold to Player 1.  The impact of the all-in under-raise of 50 on player 1 is irrelevant.  Player 1 can re-raise any amount subject to the minimum increment of 300 (as defined by the valid, complete bet from player 2).

Amending the situation slightly, UTG limps for 200, player 2 now just calls, player 3 goes all-in for 250 (a raise of 50 compared to the minimum increment of 200).  Neither player 1 nor 2 can re-raise here.  However, some online sites will allow this to happen due to limitations in the software.

That's my understanding anyway.  Its easy to see why there are many variations of this though!

Sheriff

Edit: Line amended following Ironside's post, which I believe was a  mis-interpretation of the original wording.

[Ironside]

e.g  UTG makes it 400 to go (the min-raise), next player now makes it 800 to play.  The minimum bet increment is now increased to 400 so the next player would have to make it 1200 to go as a min-raise.

UTG has called 200 and raised 200 the next players can now call the 400 and raise 200 making it 600 to go and the players after can call the 600 and raise to 800

basically its the same as limit unless someone raises more than the bb


the rest of your post is correcct

[Sheriff Fatman]

e.g  UTG makes it 400 to go (the min-raise), next player now makes it 800 to play.  The minimum bet increment is now increased to 400 so the next player would have to make it 1200 to go as a min-raise.

UTG has called 200 and raised 200 the next players can now call the 400 and raise 200 making it 600 to go and the players after can call the 600 and raise to 800

basically its the same as limit unless someone raises more than the bb


the rest of your post is correcct

I was trying to demonstrate the impact of someone increasing the bet increment, so the 800 bet was (deliberately) not a min-raise in this example.  The point was the impact of this bet on the next player's action.

Original post edited to hopefully clarify this.

Sheriff

[Ironside]

that makes better reading sherriff

[dik9]

e.g  UTG makes it 400 to go (the min-raise), next player now chooses to make it 800 to play.  The minimum bet increment has now increased to 400, so the next player to act would then have to make it 1200 to go as a min-raise.

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player 1  bets 400
player 2  400 to call therefore minimum raise 400    800 total
player 3  800 to call therefore minimum raise 800   1600 total
player 4 feels lucky raises to 4000

player 1 He cant beleive people are betting into his quads and wants to reraise it is 3600 to call therefore minimum raise is 3600  7200 total

and so on.

Are you playing limit??