British and Christian and Proud

[raab11]

the British isle consists of the island Great Britain and the surrounding minot islands including the isle of wight and man and the Orkney's and Shetlands but does not include the emerald isle

this is controversial ironside, most experts on the subject reckon the island of ireland is part of the geographical british isles.
most of the objection, quite understandably, comes from eire.

however im glad you have managed to categorically resolve this, when the best anyone up to now has managed is to offer an opinion.

[Ironside]

the British isle consists of the island Great Britain and the surrounding minot islands including the isle of wight and man and the Orkney's and Shetlands but does not include the emerald isle

this is controversial ironside, most experts on the subject reckon the island of ireland is part of the geographical british isles.
most of the objection, quite understandably, comes from eire.

however im glad you have managed to categorically resolve this, when the best anyone up to now has managed is to offer an opinion.

yw

i am just offering my opinion on what i have learnt in my brief life on this planet

i have always been taught that the emerald isle was not part of the geographical british isles

[AndrewT]

i have always been taught that the emerald isle was not part of the geographical british isles

Ironside's geography teacher at school.

[Ironside]

i have always been taught that the emerald isle was not part of the geographical british isles

Ironside's geography teacher at school.

i am talking geography here not politics

[AdamM]

actually mate, I think its the other way round. the objections to Ireland being refered to as part of the British Isles is a political objection, rather than a geographical one

[Ironside]

as far as i was aware there are no objections to ireland being part of the british isle as i was unaware people thought it was

the objection was being part of the UK

[BigTomatoes]

 we are getting off subject , talking about geography and politics.

 the topic is religion , what this nut is saying basically implies that Britain shouldnt have any other religion than Christians

 that is an old fashioned view , borderline racist , and sounds like something the leaders of the National Socialists in Nazi
 Germany would try and shove down peoples throats.

 I am Scottish , Catholic and Proud , i am also British. doesnt necessarily mean they should all mean the same thing.

 there are other nationalities , other religions , some people are proud and some probably arent. the fact that we live in
 Britain gives us this right , to believe whatever faith we want , and we should be thankful for that.

 and that is just one reason of hundreds , we should be thankful and proud we live in Britain

[kinboshi]

as far as i was aware there are no objections to ireland being part of the british isle as i was unaware people thought it was

the objection was being part of the UK

Ireland's not in the UK.  Northern Ireland is though.

The British Isles does contain Eire, although many in Eire are opposed to its use (rather than its definition).

[kinboshi]

 we are getting off subject , talking about geography and politics.

 the topic is religion , what this nut is saying basically implies that Britain shouldnt have any other religion than Christians

 that is an old fashioned view , borderline racist , and sounds like something the leaders of the National Socialists in Nazi
 Germany would try and shove down peoples throats.

 I am Scottish , Catholic and Proud , i am also British. doesnt necessarily mean they should all mean the same thing.

 there are other nationalities , other religions , some people are proud and some probably arent. the fact that we live in
 Britain gives us this right , to believe whatever faith we want , and we should be thankful for that.

 and that is just one reason of hundreds , we should be thankful and proud we live in Britain

I've just posted in another thread that the religions are not meant to co-exist in multi-cultural bliss.  They are intentionally divisive, and nowhere is this more evident than in single-faith schools.

[fearisthekey]

 we are getting off subject , talking about geography and politics.

 the topic is religion , what this nut is saying basically implies that Britain shouldnt have any other religion than Christians

 that is an old fashioned view , borderline racist , and sounds like something the leaders of the National Socialists in Nazi
 Germany would try and shove down peoples throats.

 I am Scottish , Catholic and Proud , i am also British. doesnt necessarily mean they should all mean the same thing.

 there are other nationalities , other religions , some people are proud and some probably arent. the fact that we live in
 Britain gives us this right , to believe whatever faith we want , and we should be thankful for that.

 and that is just one reason of hundreds , we should be thankful and proud we live in Britain

good post. That's the weird thing. It's so so weird. That he should come out and say 'Christians should be given priority because that is prototypically british'. Firstly, it's not prototypically british, and this is because secondly, we happen to be a melting pot, whether he likes it or not.
This man is representative of the british establishment. Well, if that's Britain, you can stuff it, I'm packing my bags and moving to Wales.

[kinboshi]

 we are getting off subject , talking about geography and politics.

 the topic is religion , what this nut is saying basically implies that Britain shouldnt have any other religion than Christians

 that is an old fashioned view , borderline racist , and sounds like something the leaders of the National Socialists in Nazi
 Germany would try and shove down peoples throats.

 I am Scottish , Catholic and Proud , i am also British. doesnt necessarily mean they should all mean the same thing.

 there are other nationalities , other religions , some people are proud and some probably arent. the fact that we live in
 Britain gives us this right , to believe whatever faith we want , and we should be thankful for that.

 and that is just one reason of hundreds , we should be thankful and proud we live in Britain

good post. That's the weird thing. It's so so weird. That he should come out and say 'Christians should be given priority because that is prototypically british'. Firstly, it's not prototypically british, and this is because secondly, we happen to be a melting pot, whether he likes it or not.
This man is representative of the british establishment. Well, if that's Britain, you can stuff it, I'm packing my bags and moving to Wales.

I disagree that British society is a melting pot whilst religion still casts its shadow over the country.  A child from a catholic family at a Catholic school isn't immersed into many of the exciting cultural elements of say a Muslim family who originate from Pakistan.  At the same time, a child from the Muslim family isn't going to have the opportunity to fully appreciate the many wonders of Britain's multi-cultural society. 

A Jewish, Muslim and Christian family could all live on the same street - and the children are actually taught and indoctrinated that they are different to the other children.  In reality, all they want to do is go out and play with the other kids. 

[BigTomatoes]

 I disagree that children are taught they are different , i went an RC school , primary and secondary , amongst my friends at school were , a muslim whos family are from Pakistan , a protestant , and a coloured lad ( which is rare where i live )
and we werent taught we were different , we were encouraged to interact and learn from each others cultures and beliefs. and at the end of the day we had a bloody good time in they days.

 some children may be taught to feel different because of religion or colour or whatever , but surely that is the point in this thread ? to highlight that this is wrong !

[kinboshi]

 I disagree that children are taught they are different , i went an RC school , primary and secondary , amongst my friends at school were , a muslim whos family are from Pakistan , a protestant , and a coloured lad ( which is rare where i live )
and we werent taught we were different , we were encouraged to interact and learn from each others cultures and beliefs. and at the end of the day we had a bloody good time in they days.

No, they weren't Muslim or Pretestant - they were brought up by parents who followed that religion.  The child had no say in the matter.

You weren't taught you were different?  I'm afraid you were.  Encouraged to learn from other's beliefs?  That goes against the basis of the religions you mentioned (don't forget the one true god, there can be no others).  Of course, most religious people are good people (as are most atheists) - most people are mostly decent.  What's that quote about Evil people do evil acts - but it takes religion to make good people do evil things (or something like that).

I went to a catholic school.  I didn't question what I was told was 'the truth' until I was older and started to question things I was told.  Before then, I'd heard nothing during my time at school about the positives of Islam, the argument for women to be allowed to have abortions, I was even taught that sex before marriage was wrong and in the same breath that contraception was also wrong.  I wonder why 5 girls in my year were pregnant before they finished their GCSEs?

some children may be taught to feel different because of religion or colour or whatever , but surely that is the point in this thread ? to highlight that this is wrong !

We're adults.  We can make informed decisions, although these decisions can be influenced through years of brainwashing and one-sided misinformation - a faith that should not be questioned.  If your friend was being told that the Muslim faith was 100% correct - they are also saying that your faith (be it christianity, judaism, scientology, jedi or whatever) is 100% wrong.  This breeds adults who then indoctrinate their children in the same religion and blind faith, without considering if it's the best thing for the child in the long term.

 Richard Dawkins puts it very succinctly:
"The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry." 

[FlyingPig]

There are people brought up in a Christian way, and when they reach adulthood they change to atheism. Then there are people who are broght up as atheists then at adulthood they become spritual and seek something more... There are those that are brought up in a religion and stay within a religion, or change to a different religion when they have the choice....

Atheism is harder to practice than a religion..In fact I think atheism and Dawkins in particular is becoming a religion (cult)..... To not be superstitous, and not follow any religious practices must be really hard...Not to say,,,'oh god, i dont believe it'. Or the Christening thing, for some reason some adults who are atheists got their child christened.

I know where we are brought up has a huge influence on our religion but it does not restrict our choice when we reach adulthood. We still have freedom of choice... As we have seen in these couple of threads....

[fearisthekey]

There are people brought up in a Christian way, and when they reach adulthood they change to atheism. Then there are people who are broght up as atheists then at adulthood they become spritual and seek something more... There are those that are brought up in a religion and stay within a religion, or change to a different religion when they have the choice....

Atheism is harder to practice than a religion..In fact I think atheism and Dawkins in particular is becoming a religion (cult)..... To not be superstitous, and not follow any religious practices must be really hard...Not to say,,,'oh god, i dont believe it'. Or the Christening thing, for some reason some adults who are atheists got their child christened.

I know where we are brought up has a huge influence on our religion but it does not restrict our choice when we reach adulthood. We still have freedom of choice... As we have seen in these couple of threads....

Atheism gets very easy to get used to once you start practising it. It's not just another side of the coin: atheists understand god-believers believe what they do, but god-believers do not understand why atheists believe what they do.