British and Christian and Proud

[AndrewT]

Atheism is harder to practice than a religion..In fact I think atheism and Dawkins in particular is becoming a religion (cult).

You don't 'practice atheism' - how can you? You simply do not practice religion.

Atheism is as much a religion as not stamp collecting is a hobby.

[RED-DOG]

Atheism is harder to practice than a religion..In fact I think atheism and Dawkins in particular is becoming a religion (cult).

You don't 'practice atheism' - how can you? You simply do not practice religion.

Atheism is as much a religion as not stamp collecting is a hobby.

Like a phantom philatelist?

[ifm]

This thread is like deja vu, it didn't go well the first time because of one or two radicals (?)
I hope certain folks don't revisit this thread with their politics...............

[FlyingPig]

Atheism seems as much as a cult as religion...

[AndrewT]

Atheism seems as much as a cult as religion...

In what way?

[FlyingPig]

There are atheist organisations actively recruiting members.

They are mobilised in such away to get there message across.

You have to take a leap of faith to believe in something (the big bang) that cannot be proved to of happened, or what caused it to happen.

There are sets of 'rules' for atheists.

A religious person will bring their children up in that faith, just as athiests bring up their children in that way.

And most of all, atheists are going about spreading their message, and delivering to audiences, and trying to convert people from a religion to another.

Religion does not mean worship. I am a catholic but do not worship God in a church every Sunday. I believe in God, just as an athiest believes in the big bang theory of the universe.

[fearisthekey]

There are atheist organisations actively recruiting members.

They are mobilised in such away to get there message across.

You have to take a leap of faith to believe in something (the big bang) that cannot be proved to of happened, or what caused it to happen.

There are sets of 'rules' for atheists.

A religious person will bring their children up in that faith, just as athiests bring up their children in that way.

And most of all, atheists are going about spreading their message, and delivering to audiences, and trying to convert people from a religion to another.

Religion does not mean worship. I am a catholic but do not worship God in a church every Sunday. I believe in God, just as an athiest believes in the big bang theory of the universe.

what reasons do those who 'believe' in the Big Bang typically give to support their belief?

[FlyingPig]

There are atheist organisations actively recruiting members.

They are mobilised in such away to get there message across.

You have to take a leap of faith to believe in something (the big bang) that cannot be proved to of happened, or what caused it to happen.

There are sets of 'rules' for atheists.

A religious person will bring their children up in that faith, just as athiests bring up their children in that way.

And most of all, atheists are going about spreading their message, and delivering to audiences, and trying to convert people from a religion to another.

Religion does not mean worship. I am a catholic but do not worship God in a church every Sunday. I believe in God, just as an athiest believes in the big bang theory of the universe.

what reasons do those who 'believe' in the Big Bang typically give to support their belief?

Not sure what you mean by this....

Although they believe things that they are told by others. As a religous person has no proof, an atheist has no proof. There are only books written. Some people call them fiction. But because they are 2000 years old, does not mean it is not correct.....

The atheists are believing things that scientists are telling them, things that they cannot understand. Scientists and physicists alike agree that you cnanot get something form nothing. So therefore the big bang theory would fall down on this alone.....

[AndrewT]

FlyingPig, you quite clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

There are atheist organisations actively recruiting members.

They are mobilised in such away to get there message across.

Being a member of an 'atheist organisation' is no requirement of being an atheist. I couldn't even tell you the names of any.

You have to take a leap of faith to believe in something (the big bang) that cannot be proved to of happened, or what caused it to happen.

Atheism has nothing to do with the big bang. You can be an atheist and not believe the big bang theory to be correct.

There are sets of 'rules' for atheists. 

Which are?

A religious person will bring their children up in that faith, just as athiests bring up their children in that way.

An atheist is far more likely to not indoctrinate their child into any particular mindset with regards to spiritual matters. They'll instead focus on allowing their child to develop the ability to make up their own mind about things using an evidence based approach.

And most of all, atheists are going about spreading their message, and delivering to audiences, and trying to convert people from a religion to another.

Atheists do not try to 'convert people from a religion to another', as that kind of misses the point of atheism. As I've explained before, atheism is not a religion.

Religion does not mean worship. I am a catholic but do not worship God in a church every Sunday. I believe in God, just as an athiest believes in the big bang theory of the universe.

Ah, you're one of those Catholics who only ever turn up at Christmas and Easter. God makes a note of you lightweights.

[kinboshi]

I don't believe in the Big Bang theory.

I have seen empirical evidence that suggests it's a possible theory on how the universe began.  I don't believe in it blindly.  I do believe however that answers should be sought out, and if scientists came back and said "we got it wrong, there was no big bang, there was a [something else] instead", then that's fantastic as that's exactly what science is about.  Expanding our understanding.

[fearisthekey]

this is where you live

[FlyingPig]

Andrew, I do know what I am talking about. I know I am not an expert in these matters but I don't claim to be. I can feel some anti-semitic feelings against christians. Or are you a closet Catholic but not ready to come out.....

There are a number of organisations. One of which is based around the corner from where I live. There are several national ones, which profess what atheists do an do not believe in.

Maybe athiesm is not all about the big bang, it generally is though, it is about believing in we are here because it just happened.

Again, an atheist will bring their children up in the same way a Christian will. This is bringing them up the way they think is best. Neither of which is bad, right or wrong...

Atheists do bang on to Christians about how wrong they are, just as christians bang on to atheists...This is trying to show them the error of there ways..

Atheism may not be a religion, but it is a way of life. Like this or not,, it is...

And I know the last bit was a bit of a joke, but I am not a catholic who turns up at easter and christmas. You do not know me, you do not know what I do.

I am not angered by atheists. It does not bother me. What does bother me, is when they try to dispell Christianity as a joke. Which they invariably do. Like you are.... I respect others beliefs, unlike certain so called atheists, who will still celebrate christmas. Lest not we forget christmas is a christian celebration.

The earth is so placed perfectly at the right distance from the sun to allow us to live. If we were a bit closer or a bit further away we could not survive. If the moon was slightly further away or slightly closer, we would cease to exist. In facto the moon is so perfectly placed where it is, it is beyond imagination (according to scientists) . If one day was to last 4 hours longer or 4 hours shorter, we could not survive. It was an amazing co-incidence of events that you are here now. These just could not of happened by accident. Well they are my thoughts...

[AdamM]

didnt know whether to post this here, in god delusion or in evolution.

you wouldnt believe what's just been pushed through my letter box. It's an A4 flyer for the Bethesda Evangeligal Church in my town. It's a glossy colour picture of Noahs Ark. It looks like a giant shed which if I was to estimate the scale would be about 400m long. I can just about make out the pairs of animals, though some are guesses. get this queue.
bears
horses
hipos
elephants
pigs
camels
diplodicus (i kid you not)
lions
brontosaurus
giraffe
dear
goats
rhino

apparently a scale model of the ark will be used for a talk. it's free admission and questions like "how did all the animals fit into the ark?" and "was the flood global or only a local one?" will be answered

should I go or leave the crackpots to it?

[FlyingPig]

didnt know whether to post this here, in god delusion or in evolution.

you wouldnt believe what's just been pushed through my letter box. It's an A4 flyer for the Bethesda Evangeligal Church in my town. It's a glossy colour picture of Noahs Ark. It looks like a giant shed which if I was to estimate the scale would be about 400m long. I can just about make out the pairs of animals, though some are guesses. get this queue.
bears
horses
hipos
elephants
pigs
camels
diplodicus (i kid you not)
lions
brontosaurus
giraffe
dear
goats
rhino

apparently a scale model of the ark will be used for a talk. it's free admission and questions like "how did all the animals fit into the ark?" and "was the flood global or only a local one?" will be answered

should I go or leave the crackpots to it?

LOL,, leave it to the crackpots.....Blonde forum has turned into an ethical centre.... Some posts could be posted on any of 3/4 threads...

[AndrewT]

Andrew, I do know what I am talking about. I know I am not an expert in these matters but I don't claim to be. I can feel some anti-semitic feelings against christians. Or are you a closet Catholic but not ready to come out.....

Well, we've established you don't know what 'anti-semitic' means, for a start.

FlyingPig, all I can do is recommend you read a book such as The God Delusion - all your 'arguments' for Christianity are dealt with in there.