British and Christian and Proud

[Acidmouse]

Can we not just close this devisive thread for good - it keeps popping back up like a floater in the bog.....

Nothing that divides on such arbitrary lines as religion football. 

[Rod Paradise]

Can we not just close this devisive thread for good - it keeps popping back up like a floater in the bog.....

Nothing that divides on such arbitrary lines as religion football. 

Football IS my religion

[fearisthekey]

La vida es sueño

[kinboshi]

Football does create arbitrary tribal divisions - but it fades into insignificance compared to the divisions religion creates. 

Look at the Celtic v Rangers rivalry - is that as strong (and as spiteful) as it is because of football, or because of historial/traditional religious divisions?

[Rod Paradise]

Football does create arbitrary tribal divisions - but it fades into insignificance compared to the divisions religion creates. 

Look at the Celtic v Rangers rivalry - is that as strong (and as spiteful) as it is because of football, or because of historial/traditional religious divisions?

I get your point, but I found the Liverpool/Man U division more blatant than the Celtic/Rangers - we have to live & work closely with eachother - I'd prefer to wear a Celtic top through Glasgow City centre than a Man U one through Liverpool.

[AdamM]

I'm sure any good christians I've offended will forgive me

[kinboshi]

Football does create arbitrary tribal divisions - but it fades into insignificance compared to the divisions religion creates. 

Look at the Celtic v Rangers rivalry - is that as strong (and as spiteful) as it is because of football, or because of historial/traditional religious divisions?

I get your point, but I found the Liverpool/Man U division more blatant than the Celtic/Rangers - we have to live & work closely with eachother - I'd prefer to wear a Celtic top through Glasgow City centre than a Man U one through Liverpool.

Possibly - but I wouldn't want to wear a Celtic shirt in certain parts of Belfast (for example).  A Celtic shirt would be expected in Glasgow (as would a Rangers top) - but the site of a manure shirt in Liverpool (except when they're playing at Anfield) would definitely stand out.

Saying that, I wouldn't fancy dressing up as a rabbi and walking through central Tehran...

[Rod Paradise]

I'm sure any good christians I've offended will forgive me

Trite reply.

[fearisthekey]

I'm sure any good christians I've offended will forgive me

lol. that is in the user's manual. i'm not sure if it's gospel though.

[fearisthekey]

I was a christian once. I would have been banned from the site for my flaming against what Adam and Kinboshi have written (a lot of it pretty sober). Looking back....best thing they could have done for me. I would have loved to have read a thread like this back then.
I want to sue the church for all those years of guilt free sex I've missed.

[owen1923]

I'm British, of Scottish Birth, married to an English woman of Irish Decent, served 16 years in the British Army two children both born in British Military hospitals overseas, the eldest of whom has also served 5 years in the British Army. When abroad I describe myself as British first, then Scottish.  So there is no crowd of politicians who will change my Identity from being British.

As for the Christian thing, I was brought up a catholic but gave up on that once I realised how divisive religion can be, Ive just let the kids find their own way and both have turned out pretty agnostic.
However, I have been running a self marketing campaign for about ten years,  every night I pray to whichever god will have me to show me a sign and I'm their man, to date nothing.  could it be I'm just a bad person or is there not really anything there. ( hope Ive not been wasting my prayers )

[kinboshi]

Good post Owen.  Not many Scots who I know consider themselves British as strongly as you do.  End of the day, geographical borders shouldn't mean anything, but unfortunately they do.

Please let us know when Allah/God/Yahweh/Zeus or whoever gets in touch, and give them my regards.

[Jon MW]

Good post Owen.  Not many Scots who I know consider themselves British as strongly as you do.  End of the day, geographical borders shouldn't mean anything, but unfortunately they do.

Please let us know when Allah/God/Yahweh/Zeus or whoever gets in touch, and give them my regards.

It's not geography - it's law

The Acts of Union 1776 joined England and Wales to Scotland to create Great Britain - hence anybody born in Scotland is Scottish and British (but if you are born in Northern Ireland you aren't British - United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)

If you are Scottish you may feel Scottish and not British - but then again if you are a white teenager born in London you may feel like a black, American - doesn't stop the legal fact of being British though.

[kinboshi]

Good post Owen.  Not many Scots who I know consider themselves British as strongly as you do.  End of the day, geographical borders shouldn't mean anything, but unfortunately they do.

Please let us know when Allah/God/Yahweh/Zeus or whoever gets in touch, and give them my regards.

It's not geography - it's law

The Acts of Union 1776 joined England and Wales to Scotland to create Great Britain - hence anybody born in Scotland is Scottish and British (but if you are born in Northern Ireland you aren't British - United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)

If you are Scottish you may feel Scottish and not British - but then again if you are a white teenager born in London you may feel like a black, American - doesn't stop the legal fact of being British though.

Nothing to do with the law.  I'm 'European', but it doesn't necessarily mean I consider myself European anywhere as much as I consider myself English or British.  Most Scots will consider themselves Scottish a lot more than British - to the degree that a lot of Scots I know don't support British athletes in the Olympics as they're not Scottish. 

Ask the people living in Gibraltar if they feel Spanish or British.  The 'law' isn't going to change how they feel. 

[CelticGeezeer]

The English have passed a lot of stupid laws  which are treated with the contempt they deserve.